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Oct 28, 2015 at 11:52 AM Post #6,046 of 18,020
thanks a lot. so far, it seems that i am leaning towards the l5 pro since i only listen to local files, but it is pricier of course and hard to get. I still cannot find one store that has the l5 pro for demo. the only store selling it does not even have it in stock. "by memory", HK is pretty close to mainland china isn't it. I just want to try to see how work-in-progress the fw is without swiping motion.
Four shops has it in Hong Kong. Example 1. Lets Go Audio in Wan Chai (they give great deals if you ask for it), 2. Jaben in Mong Kok. The other two shops are also in Mong Kok but I didnt look for their names I just know where they located.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 1:01 PM Post #6,051 of 18,020
Where is everyone getting their X7's? It's not even for sale on their website yet? I feel like I've been waiting forever for this DAP now too.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 1:14 PM Post #6,052 of 18,020
Thanks for your reply. my futur purchase for sure

 
I may be an outlier in this, but I mainly got the X7 for streaming services and Spotify sounds really really good on it. If you depend on streaming services I really can't recommend it enough. I have a few FLAC albums on there and they sound fantastic as well.
 
Where is everyone getting their X7's? It's not even for sale on their website yet? I feel like I've been waiting forever for this DAP now too.

 
This was posted in the first post:
 
  The X7 market release will come in four steps.
 
1,First 100 units are targeted for release at the end of September, to be sold at 20% off directly to FiiO’s VIP customers.  The firmware will be beta at this stage.
 
2,Second batch of 400 units are targeted for release on 15 October, to be sold at 12% off directly to existing FiiO customers.  The qualification of being an “existing FiiO customer” is to be established by product registration at www.fiio.net, with the X7 to be shipped to early registrants first.  Register your FiiO products by clicking the link here:
 
The firmware will be FW1.0 at this stage.
 
3,Third batch of 1500 units are targeted for release on 30 October;  these will be sold through our agents in China.
 
4,X7 stock will be provided to our agents worldwide starting from the fourth batch at the end of November.
 
 
First 500 units are to be sold to VIP and existing FiiO customers for the following reasons:
 
1. We would like to provide some benefit to our longstanding loyal customers.
 
2. Owing to cash flow, risk management and utilization of new technology in new products, the initial production capacity of any company for any new product is limited, as is the initial available numbers of X7’s.  We hope to sell these limited units to those who really need and appreciate it, and not those who might resell it not two days after receiving the unit.
 
3. The X7 is comparatively expensive, heavy, large and generates relatively more heat.  So, for regular users, we hope for them to gather experience on the X7 from trying it out at a store or hearing from those first 500 users before deciding whether to buy.

 
Hence why some people have it early. the X7 impressions tour has started as well, and people started receiving those units last week.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 1:56 PM Post #6,053 of 18,020
Where are they ordering it from though? I can't find any place online even selling it, including their own website. I am a former Fiio customer too (X5/E12) and never saw any offer for previous Fiio customers.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 2:46 PM Post #6,055 of 18,020
I thank twister for his seemingly more objective review of the x7. Everything before seemed just too hyped and subjective. Really like how you put it in perspective with other daps. Not to discount redjohn, but people say the go v2 destroyed daps, while others say the x7 is still under the lotoo paw. I guess you never know until you try. The versatile amp module was what had me worried and i hope that they improve the amp module. If i have to amp the x7 with an external component, i would rather just use a dac/amp combo
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM Post #6,056 of 18,020
I thank twister for his seemingly more objective review of the x7. Everything before seemed just too hyped and subjective. Really like how you put it in perspective with other daps. Not to discount redjohn, but people say the go v2 destroyed daps, while others say the x7 is still under the lotoo paw. I guess you never know until you try. The versatile amp module was what had me worried and i hope that they improve the amp module. If i have to amp the x7 with an external component, i would rather just use a dac/amp combo


I have both so I am only going by what I am hearing with regards to the X7 vs Geek Out v2. the FW is very much till beta. some daps had different sound signatures with each update. dont know if that will be the case with the X7, but it might be.
 
But after using the X7 last few days, I can confidently say the X7 is better than the V2. I use both on a daily basis ;)
 
But as with anything on head-fi ymmv
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 3:27 PM Post #6,057 of 18,020
  Last night I spent about 3 hours testing X7 (using Westone ES60 CIEM) and here is my initial impression.  Keep in mind, it will be a more critical analysis, rather than praises.  X7 deserves a lot of praises for sure, its a huge step up for FiiO, but with so many high expectations and considering I have access to a lot of other DAPs the initial reaction is more critical
 
Hardware:
 
Solid build, very slick, almost too slick and a bit on a heavy side which means "easy to drop".  Will certainly require a good case for it, not the usual silicone skin but rather something with a better protection.  Display glass is not flush, sticking out, and certainly will be the first point of impact "contact" if you drop it, thus needs a solid case with good corner protection and a lip around the screen.
 
I'm using both Left/Right hands, and after 3hrs still can't get used to symmetrical button layout, and been hitting Power instead of Play and vise verse.  With symmetrical buttons - it was done intentionally where you will be able to re-assign and symmetrically flip the functionality to accommodate left/right handed operation, but I still find it a little confusing.  Furthermore, while holding it in my hands I already accidentally skip tracks (buttons are easy to access), would have been better to have buttons recessed.  But with a case on - this shouldn't be a problem.  Also, surprised you can only skip through the song but not fast forward like in a lot of other DAPs with dedicated transport hw controls.  I'm sure this will be fixed in a future firmware.
 
SW:
 
FiiO music app is slick, absolutely love it, easy to navigate, but has a few annoyances.  Takes multiple steps to get to setup where you change the gain, and in EQ I don't see labels under sliders to know which frequency is being adjusted, you only see it on a graphic screen following EQ curve.  I understand this app is still work in progress.
 
Definitely some learning curve to figure things out, especially for those not familiar with Android.  Also, the clock is in 24hr format, can't change it (I'm sure it will be fixed).  With apps and other stuff, I guess will have to side load apk files for now.  At this point, I'm not too concerned since I don't want any extra distractions.
 
Sound:
 
I think it's pretty good, but not great.  The sound is very clear and detailed, signature is more neutral-warmish.  In my opinion, all the aspects that have to do with a DAC are great (LO performance is excellent), but the amp module holding it back.  Soundstage is just average, and the same goes for layering and separation of the sound.
 
Comparing to L5Pro, LP5 Gold, and AK120ii - they sound a little more dynamic with a better layering and separation, while in comparison the X7 sounds a little flatter, and actually sounds closer to N6 and QA360 where N6 is a few ticks below and QA360 a few ticks higher (relatively speaking).  I also hear an improvement over X5ii where X7 has more body and overall refined sound, but not night'n'day.  Without a doubt, it's a step up from X5ii, and X7 is currently FiiO's flagship, but with a default IEM amp module you will be kidding yourself by saying that it outperforms A&K and L&P DAPs.  But I think with a better amp module we can see a definite improvement.
 
 

 
Pair up:
 
X7 does better with IEMs and efficient headphones.  With 320 ohm ZEN, X7 wasn't able to drive it to a full potential even in high gain, bass wasn't as tight, and sound was a bit off.  With Savant, sound was great, but the texture of the bass was missing.  It drove PM-3 nicely, but not so much EL-8C (some airiness and sparkle was missing, and texture of the bass not as defined), and R70x (470 ohms) needed a high gain where I raised Volume to 105/120.  Again, I think a lot of these problems will be solved with a higher power amp module.
 
On contrary, with LO and E12A or VE RunAbout amps - sound transforms and expands with an excellent soundstage, becomes more dynamic and with improved layering.  This shows the power of X7 DAC and hope for improvement with a better amp module.


Thank you for not just spouting a bunch of hype and being so objective :)
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 3:31 PM Post #6,058 of 18,020
I thank twister for his seemingly more objective review of the x7. Everything before seemed just too hyped and subjective. Really like how you put it in perspective with other daps. Not to discount redjohn, but people say the go v2 destroyed daps, while others say the x7 is still under the lotoo paw. I guess you never know until you try. The versatile amp module was what had me worried and i hope that they improve the amp module. If i have to amp the x7 with an external component, i would rather just use a dac/amp combo

 
Well, every review and impression should be taken with a grain of salt because there is a gray area between objective and subjective 
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  When I read reviews with FR graphs and detailed measurements from well known audiophiles in this community, I think there is no question about it being objective.  I'm an audio enthusiast, not an audiophile, who just happens to have a lot of experience due to the amount of gadgets I was fortunate enough to test and to compare in my reviews.  A year or two ago if I would have received X7 and start listening to it based on my limited exposure to other DAPs and using Clip+ or Note 2 as a reference, I would have soiled my pants
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  In defense of RedJohn, Tamal is actually a good friend of mine, he has a lot of experience with headphones but not sources.  And he was very clear that a part of "destroying" other DAPs came from a friend of his in China rather than his own opinion
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DAP reviews are very tricky because you are hearing it through your headphones which influence a sound quite a bit.  On the other hand, A/Bing is something we can all relate to because it puts it in a different perspective of relative comparison to something we already familiar with.
 
We are going to have more impressions and more opinions, so just take it all in, average it out, and then decide if this is something for you to consider.  Just keep in mind, X7 has big potentials because unlike other DAPs where you have to take sound signature as is, here you can upgrade your experience with a different amp module.  We just need to hear these amp modules soon!
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM Post #6,060 of 18,020
I thank twister for his seemingly more objective review of the x7. Everything before seemed just too hyped and subjective. Really like how you put it in perspective with other daps.

 
Perhaps, but Twister conspicuously omits the caveat he’s comparing the X7 to DAPs that cost three or four times what the X7 retails for.  That can make the appraisal as flawed as any perceived as merely offering slavish praise.  One of FiiO’s hallmarks has been affordability.  When comparing the X7 to the Hifiman 901s, my favoritism is based on the fact the X7 is literally half the price of the 901s and also includes streaming capabilities unlike its higher priced brethren.  Like many, I was initially lukewarm towards the inclusion of streaming, but after experiencing how nimbly the X7 handles this as well as the diversity of choices available… I foresee this as a prescient advancement many competitors may now have to include.   Therefore, my enthusiasm is measured within the context of previous FiiO offerings and within this more sensible price range.  This is a huge step up.  As a company, FiiO is effectively thwarting the unrequited feelings people have towards lofty Astell & Kern and Lotoo units that seem priced only for Croesus.  I personally feel pricing is a key factor when discussing the X7 in any comparative sense to higher priced offerings; otherwise it’s like likening a bottle of Chateau Lafite 1787 to Turning Leaf Chardonnay from Rite-Aid.
 

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