[FiiO M17] Dual ES9038PRO, dual THXAAA-788+, dual power supplies, 9200mAh battery, 2 volume control modes
Nov 13, 2021 at 3:14 AM Post #826 of 5,692
It is recommended to buy 12V3A DC charger. The lower limit is 11V. The plug specification could be DC5521 or DC5525, inside positive and outside negative.

Best regards
Does it matter to buy exactly the 12V 3A DC Charger for the M17? If one was to buy a 16V version the M17 unit will still only draw the power it needs? This therefore leaves you with a possibility of using the same Linear Power supply for other items requiring a higher voltage?
 
Nov 13, 2021 at 3:20 AM Post #827 of 5,692
Does it matter to buy exactly the 12V 3A DC Charger for the M17? If one was to buy a 16V version the M17 unit will still only draw the power it needs? This therefore leaves you with a possibility of using the same Linear Power supply for other items requiring a higher voltage?
The circuit will try to draw the current it needs but the voltage needs to be right. So I think 16V would be too risky. At least at the far end of the supported spectrum.
 
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Nov 13, 2021 at 5:42 AM Post #829 of 5,692
It is recommended to buy 12V3A DC charger. The lower limit is 11V. The plug specification could be DC5521 or DC5525, inside positive and outside negative.

Best regards
@FiiO, someone mentioned in the past that an external battery bank wasn't recommended, why was that?

Wouldn't a battery bank capable of meeting the USB-C PD power requirement - mine can deliver 60W PD - can you also let us know the Voltage/Amperage=Wattage specification to power the M17 via USB-C PD power, and if we can meet that spec in portable form that would work as well?

I can use that same battery bank to deliver 12VDC3A(->10A) to the M17 with the correct cable. But it would be nice to find a smaller power bank to supply USB-C PD power to the M17 for compact portable use.

Thank you FiiO! - Scott
Does it matter to buy exactly the 12V 3A DC Charger for the M17? If one was to buy a 16V version the M17 unit will still only draw the power it needs? This therefore leaves you with a possibility of using the same Linear Power supply for other items requiring a higher voltage?
The circuit will try to draw the current it needs but the voltage needs to be right. So I think 16V would be too much. At least at the far end of the supported spectrum.
@FiiO (or someone else from FiiO) posted an M17 DC input upper range of 16V, and this FiiO posting says a minimum of 11V, so @FiiO would a charger putting out 12VDC x 3A = 36W at an equivalent 36W capable power charger in the range of 11V-16V @ 36W also be an acceptable alternative?
 
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Nov 13, 2021 at 2:34 PM Post #830 of 5,692
Does it matter to buy exactly the 12V 3A DC Charger for the M17? If one was to buy a 16V version the M17 unit will still only draw the power it needs? This therefore leaves you with a possibility of using the same Linear Power supply for other items requiring a higher voltage?
That's not how voltage works. That's how current works ... Voltage is supplied (fixed), current is drawn (variable), amount based on the load resistance/impedance.

Only time a power supply would output less than the rated voltage is when output power max is hit, but the load has such a low resistance/impedance that the voltage "droops"; also a condition that causes power supplies to fail.
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 1:47 AM Post #831 of 5,692
Dream come true! Review sharing by chen_racon2021 (originally posted at: https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?...qmRVGAEc2V_KQe0h8Do0mFN6t-pSIRemjhss7KW6vo8Tk)

Part 2

Circuit design
The circuit board of the M17 is highly modular, which I personally think is a model of the current player. The digital board and the audio board are independent, a bit like the motherboard is framed, and each module is installed on the motherboard, which has a high degree of functional distinction, heat dissipation and shielding considerations. In addition, the sunken gold circuit board process ensures the basic electrical performance, the white copper shield prevents internal radiation interference, and the VC liquid cooling equalization plate used for the first time in the player ensures heat dissipation, ensuring the performance of the product from various angles.
On the front of the system board is the core board (Snapdragon 660, 4G Ram, 64G Rom and power supply chip) and the Bluetooth communication board (QCC5124). On the back is the XMOS (XUF208) interface and FPGA plus DSP module composed of two femtosecond crystal oscillator. The system board integrates digital processing, and the reading and receiving ends of data are also on the system board. The data source is managed by clock in a unified way. This integration is necessary from the perspective of shielding.
The audio board itself is mainly a power supply circuit, the super power supply capacitor on the front and the LDO on the back are all in order to provide stable power supply. Two DAC modules and two earphone modules (the same model of K9Pro) are shielded with shields. The four earphone ports are parallel to the center of the circle, and the audio board is positioned with a bracket. This is the largest and most complicated portable audio circuit designed by FiiO. There are many places worth mentioning.
With large-scale circuits, large-scale heat dissipation must be considered. Therefore, the design idea of FiiO is also very clear. Use VC liquid-cooled soaking plate to avoid heat concentration, use metal heat conduction to isolate the battery and circuit board to prevent heat radiation, and then export the heat to the aluminum frame. You will find that the frame of M17 is hotter than the back plate when it is used heavily. Use the original leather case gap and the metal hollow behind it, you can guide the wind of the fan to the side and then discharge it to achieve the purpose of efficient heat dissipation.
After looking at the entire M17 circuit board, I personally remembered what JEFF said: "To achieve high performance, you must have a complex structure, do not believe in any fairy tale of simplicity, to achieve high performance, you must reach a sufficient degree of complexity, the world is like this, and you must pay a high enough price to go further." My understanding of this complexity is that either the software is complex or the hardware is complex. The complexity of the circuit is not the purpose, because the purpose of good sound makes the circuit complex. Although the complexity of the software and hardware is ideal, the complexity of the M17 in the portable field can be said to be unparalleled.
System Modules
The SOC of the M17 is Qualcomm Snapdragon 660 plus 4G Ram. The balance of power consumption and performance of the 660 can be called a benchmark. Although it was the flagship configuration a few years ago, it is still smooth enough in today's non-heavy use scenario of the player. This has been verified on many models including FiiO's own M11PLUS. Of course, considering its price, I personally think it is more appropriate to configure 6G Ram plus 128 Rom. It is a pity that due to supply chain consideration, that has not been realized. However, FiiO provides two USB TYPEC interfaces. The one on the right is the HOST interface that can connect to the hard disk, which greatly expands the body storage. With DLNA reading support, there can be more data reading sources.
The system is Android 10, I think it is much better than Android 11 (11 does not allow access to the system DATA file which is really a big issue), the compatibility of new applications will be more friendly, such as APPLE MUSIC. The added gyroscope enables the screen to rotate at will, and the selection of working modes is more intuitive and convenient. It can quickly switch between Bluetooth reception, USB DAC, coaxial decoding, Ariplay, and pure music mode and Android mode. The large screen also allows more display elements.
In the FiiO MUSIC application, I personally chose the default skin. In use, I found that the large cover skin is more suitable for the 16:9 wide screen, but it is not very good for the narrow screen display. I don't know if FiiO will optimize for the 18:9 narrow screen like M17.
Power Supply Module
The M17 is probably the most complex device for powering players. It involves two power supply methods and two power supply voltages. In low/medium/high gain and oer-ear headphone mode, the power supply voltage of the headphone amplifier circuit is 8V; in enhanced over-ear headphone mode, The power supply voltage of the headphone amplifier circuit is 11.5V, which reaches the voltage level of the desktop device. Of course, reaching the voltage level of the desktop level is nothing, and corresponding processing circuits are needed. Among them, how to maintain the power consumption and stability between various modules is the key, which is also the purpose of modular design. Among them, the super DMF capacitor provides a stable current for the overall power supply. In order to meet the high DC power supply requirements of 9038, the dac module adopts the LT3045, an advanced low dropout linear regulator (LDO). In the amplifier part, AC power supply is required, and two different types of LDOs are used to protect the positive electrode of SGM2211 and the negative electrode of SGM2209. In terms of power supply, it should be said that all efforts should be made to provide low-noise power for all modules.
Sound Module
The M17 audio board is the largest circuit board in the machine. After the digital signal is received by the digital board and processed by the FPGA DSP, it is transmitted to the audio board for digital-to-analog conversion and amplification. 9038PRO decoding module (general module, should soon be able to see this decoding module on the K9, eight channels in parallel processing a channel) after decoding with OPA927 (FiiO customized) for I/V conversion (there is a chip vacancy on the module for K9), to opa2211 for LPF, and finally by THX AAA 788 + headphone amplifier to output.
If there is anything about the M17 that makes people realize their dreams, it is that the M17 uses the decoding module and the headphone module of the desktop device, especially the headphone module, which is the same as the K9Pro. THX AAA 788 + is jointly developed by FiiO and THX. The THX AAA amplifier circuit needs to be optimized by the manufacturer itself. Five thousandths of precision resistance and five percent of precision capacitance as well as opa1602 and TPA6120 constitute the feedforward amplifier module. This is a circuit that can achieve high power output and extremely low distortion. The 788 + output power of FiiO is 2 times larger than the original circuit. Even a 300-ohm impedance on the M17 can output 500mw of power. This circuit is very popular abroad, and the most widely used one in China is FiiO. In addition to the power supply support, there are 12 aluminum capacitors on the back of the audio board for filtering and energy storage to provide better dynamics for the amplifier. If taken out alone, the audio board of the M17 is a scaled-down desktop all-in-one decoder.
In the process of browsing the circuit, my personal feeling is that sound does not mean that one or two original supplements can do anything. It is the joint action of algorithm, clock, power supply, chip, resistor and capacitor. Only when each part is handled well can the sound be good. It is also under the joint action of power supply and module that the maximum power output of the whole machine is 3000mw.
Let's talk about the gain, which is the signal magnification, such as the medium gain 0DB is no magnification, low gain -6DB is 0.5 times amplification, and enhanced over-ear headphone mode + 16DB is 6.3 times amplification, this decibel (DB) and magnification is logarithmic relationship. The gain of 16DB is not too big or too small for a desktop machine. From the actual listening experience, the enhanced over-ear headphone mode does not have the kind of sound rush after excessive gain.
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To be continued
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 3:36 AM Post #833 of 5,692
I have the Meze Empyrean. It is a very easy to drive headphone. I see so many people selling their AK SP2000 or Lotoo Paw Gold Titanium because the devices have too much power and they just need a good device with less power.

I am confused because devices such as the Fiio have a lot of Power, got it. But due to their latest chips etc., the SQ should be improved as well, right? So even if I have an easy to drive headphone, I will buy the M17 due to their specs of chips that promises extreme good SQ.
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 3:54 AM Post #834 of 5,692
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II. Objective part

1. In terms of size, the M17 measures approximately 15 x 9 x 3 cm and weighs 610 grams (about 1.2 city pounds). This is certainly quite large and heavy for a Walkman. The NOMAD JUKEBOX generation of CREATIVE, the largest digital Walkman I can remember, was about that size.

If you think of it as a 'desktop' device, the M17 is so portable that we can carry it around in our backpacks and take it out whenever and wherever we want. If you are fit enough and have a large enough pocket, you can even carry it in your pocket on the street.

2. The Fei Ao M17 features dual ES9038PRO decoder chips, THX AAA-788+ upgraded headphones and a built-in battery/linear power supply dual power supply mode. The M17 is a portable desktop player that is different from the previous ones in terms of size, power supply, supporting circuitry and anti-interference space.

3. The M17 is equipped with almost all types of ports and functional expansions. A particularly noteworthy feature is the return of the traditional 6.35 single-ended headphone port, which is commonly used in desktop players, while another equally "retro" design comes from the use of RCAs for the coaxial in/out ports, a port type that is closer to the standard of desktop systems on the market and has a higher rate of accessory sharing. The M17 even comes with two TYPE-C ports, separating the charging and storage functions from the data output functions for better results.

With a 6" HD screen and an open Android system, the M17 gives us easy access to internet music sources and the ability to install and use the applications we need just like a mobile phone.

4. The M17 also comes with a DC power input that can be powered by an external DC power supply and is set up to work in three modes: battery powered, DC power powered and hybrid power. We can clearly feel that the M17 has better sound performance in the external DC power supply mode. The importance of a separate external power supply for a sound system cannot be overstated, something that enthusiasts have experienced first-hand with the NOMAD JUKEBOX III more than a decade ago.

Moreover, the external DC power supply can also be used to recharge the M17's internal battery.

5. The M17 has a total of 12 RGB lights next to the volume knob and on both sides of the body. These lights show the various real-time states of the player in different combinations, colours, brightness and flashing, so that we can know the specifics of the player without having to open the screen.

However, because their combinations are so numerous and complex, it may take some time for the user to become familiar with the linguistic meaning of this breathing light.

6. A cooling dock comes as standard with the original machine, probably because the M17 will generate more heat when it is in operation. However, during normal use, I did not find the M17 in a high-temperature state. In general, the M17 can be used normally when placed on a desktop.

Other accessories include the DC power adapter, various connection cables, the original leather case and the aluminium dust plug. Basically, all the usual accessories needed for the M17 are packaged in the machine and do not need to be purchased separately.

7. For other specifications, parameters and other hardware information, the reader can check in the product description, which is not listed in this article.

Sound

Before we get to the sound section, let's briefly discuss some of the differences between the M17's price range of desktop and Walkman sound.

Firstly, the sound of a desktop is more complete in terms of the general framework and the overall sound is better.

Secondly, the sound of a desktop tends to be more balanced and stable than that of a Walkman, while a Walkman is more personal and expressive.

Thirdly, the desktop has a greater drive capability.

Let's take a look at the sound performance of the M17 with these questions in mind.

1. Quality

In terms of sound content, the M17's performance is excellent. It is able to sort out the complex sound content in an orderly manner, and the various parts of the sound can be expressed accordingly and reasonably according to their own primary and secondary relationships. Not only is it able to express the sound content completely and accurately, but it is also able to express the form, line, sense of colour, temperature, and even hardness and density of the sound in different forms and ways, so that the sound expressed by the M17 is not only realistic and accurate, but also more layered and differentiated. This is something that is difficult to achieve in the Walkman world.

The M17 also has a high level and scale in terms of soundstage and dynamics. The soundstage space is of a very high scale, both for large headphones and earbuds, and the individual instruments can be arranged and positioned with ease within this sound space. At the same time, dynamics are the M17's forte, and its strength and momentum are capable of fulfilling the ambient demands of the music at a very high level. The soundstage and dynamics are particularly impressive when powered by DC power.

We can consider the M17 to be basically at the average basic level of a desktop machine in its class, in terms of both content and field sense.

In terms of sound quality and purity, the M17 also has a good level of quality. The density of the sound, the flexibility of the lines and the transparency of the space are all good, and are at a basic level for a medium-sized desk. However, the M17 has a slightly dryer, more restless sound than other desk units in the same price range, especially split systems, and there is a gap between the M17 and traditional desk units in terms of the need for more detail. At the same time, compared to some discrete earphones in the $10,000 range, the M17 has a fair amount of spatial transparency, but the background is not as "dark". But I don't think this is a huge difference, and in most cases it's not very noticeable.

Listening to the 1812 Overture (choral version) (with headphones from the Uyon PK1 high resistance flat headphones), I clearly felt that in the opening chorus, the M17's vocal flavour was moist and resilient, while the later fiddle showed enough hardness to make the difference directly between the peaceful and silent wilderness scenery and the fleeting war horns create a wonderfully contrasting image in the listener's mind. In the middle of the piece there is an interplay of instrumental music, with the main melody alternating with the variation of the Marseillaise as a sub-melody, complemented by a diatonic fiddle and reeds in the background, which together create a grand war scene. The final part of the artillery is a rare example of a very large sounding junction with sufficient power and intensity.

2. Tuning

The tuning of the M17 is more complex than that of the previous players.

If we look at the overall trend, the sound of the M17 is slightly cooler than the M15, but much warmer than the previous X series. So we can assume that the sound style of the M17 is on the neutral and balanced side, while the M17 is more extended than the M15 on both sides of the frequency spectrum, i.e. the high frequencies are more translucent and the lows are more solid, while in the midrange it is slightly more restrained than the M15, not as dense as the M15.

If we say that the M17 is tuned to accentuate the quality of its performance, we cannot be wrong; but if we say that the M17 is simply a sound that expresses quality, then we are very wrong, and this is what I said earlier about the complexity of the M17's tuning.

On the one hand, the M17 has to highlight its qualities in order to achieve the level of performance required for its positioning as a desktop machine, and to be able to have enough qualities to match other desktop equipment so that it has a wider range of adaptability and sound expansion.

On the other hand, the M17's own tuning flavour is distinctive in that it has enough sound temperature, colour and three-dimensional lines to support its own musical performance, especially in the mid-range temperature and high frequency brightness, making it fully compatible so that we are not torn between the two, while its low-frequency volume is not insignificant and has enough rendering power to create a sense of atmosphere when the music content requires it.

So, I think it might not be realistic to expect the M17's musical flavour to exactly fit that warm, dark vocal sound, because after all, as a desktop-oriented device, the M17 needs to cover and be compatible with a lot of directions, as well as taking into account the needs of a wider and more extensive range of audiophiles and matches.

The song is not complicated, it is basically a combination of piano and vocals, but the simpler it is, the more difficult it is to perform, as the slightest detail is constantly magnified by the senses.

The M17's performance of Ye Qianwen is airy and natural, and sounds comfortable to listen to. Although the M17 is a relatively hard-line front-end, it still possesses enough looseness and softness in the vocal performance. The singer's extremely controlled vocal line is held with great accuracy in the M17's performance, and it is able to possess enough gentleness and looseness to draw out the light smile at the corner of Fat's mouth to the tenderness and helplessness hidden under Liao Fan's cold face with vividness and subtlety.

3. Style

In terms of style, the M17 itself is balanced in its overall style. We can assume that with the right equipment, headphones and cables, the M17 can cover almost all music styles, even some of the more niche ones such as metal rock and ACG type music.

If I were to make a further selection among all genres, I would say that the M17 is the best at classical music and regular pop music, and that other genres also work well with the M17.

If I had to choose the least suitable genre of music, I would choose jazz and blues, the M17's vocal sense is slightly more hard-edged, and for these genres, which require particularly soft lines and large knots, the ambience is a little lacking, and it is not as warm or dark.

4. Thrust

In normal terms, the M17 is capable of driving all earbuds and almost all large headphones on the market today. For the hardest headphones I've tried in my hands, the M17 is able to drive them to a level that I think is normal for headphones. So, I don't think there is much to worry about when it comes to actual headphone pairing, at least not too much about the M17's pushing power.

Especially with a DC power supply on board, the M17's driving ability is particularly good.

Of course, if I were to ask for a higher standard, I used the M17 to compare with the desktop amplifiers I have, and I think the overall sound framework driven by the M17 is basically on a par with that of a gallophone; in terms of the control of some details, it feels a bit stereotypical, not so easy and comfortable, and there is not much rendering, but this may also be a characteristic of the gallophone itself, not necessarily a problem with the M17.

In summary, the M17 has a more obvious desktop character in terms of sound quality, style and even drive. Although we can still see some of the traditional Walkman flavour and philosophy in the M17, the overall framework of its sound is still more oriented towards desktop equipment.

IV. Overall assessment of the sound

I think the M17 is a portable desktop unit that basically has the same level of sound as desktop all-in-one units in its price range.

It should be noted that the M17 has been developed from the beginning with the desktop as the overall design framework and sound standard. Compared to a non-portable all-in-one in the 10,000 RMB range, the M17 does not produce a significant difference in the hard quality of sound.

The M17 has an overall advantage over other Walkmans in the same price range. But as a player designed with the desktop in mind, the M17 has to be comprehensive and accurate in the sound content it needs to cover, so there is not much of a bias presented in terms of sound characteristics.

While the M17 itself has enough musicality and flavour from a music appreciation point of view, its personalised content seems slightly less.

In other words, if you listen to music on the M17, it has enough musicality; if you want to listen to so-called "analogue" or "MSG" flavours on the M17, it is not so obvious.

In terms of pricing, I think the sound level of the M17 is reasonable by desktop standards.

The M17 has the sound framework of a desktop and the size and usability of a Walkman, combining the best of both worlds. For many burners who cannot set up a desktop system, the M17 is an ideal crossover device, while for some burners who already have a desktop system, the M17 is a good addition and complement to a portable capability.

V. Comparative situation

In fact, we can describe or summarise part of the sound of the M17, but I think that for such a new concept of "portable desktop", we should briefly talk about the differences between the M17 and the desktop, portable and their respective advantages and disadvantages.

The main function of the M17 is to act as a "backpacker", allowing us to access the sound of an otherwise immovable desktop in a relatively fixed environment; the other is to use it as a digital player or decoder. The other is to participate in the desktop system as a digital player or decoder, so that the desktop system has a good way of communicating with the portable device.

Therefore, the M17, as a portable desktop unit, is different from a desktop unit and a Walkman, and we should not confuse these concepts.

2. As a portable desktop, the M17 is basically capable of sounding at the overall level of a desktop in the $10,000 range. It even tends to be slightly better in terms of the way it handles sound detail and its ability to control the junction, which is, after all, the strength of the traditional Walkman segment. The main difference between the M17 and the desktop is in the vibrancy and purity of the sound, which I can feel is that the M17's sound is a bit "harder" than that of a $10,000 desktop. The sound of the M17 is a little less vibrant.

3. Compared to traditional Walkmans, the M17 has a clear advantage in terms of hard quality, as well as a significant increase in drive capability. Throughout the history of the digital Walkman, there have only been one or two limited editions that have been able to compete with the M17 in terms of driving power.

The M17 also has enough comprehensiveness in terms of sound integrity. Such tuning is on the one hand for more compatibility with headphones, especially with larger headphones, which has been significantly improved, and on the other hand for adaptability with other desktop devices and cables.

4. Based on the M17's own characteristics, we should still look at this machine more objectively. If we simply use the M17 as a Walkman, I think we can achieve good results, but that is not the full strength and meaning of the M17.

5. I think the M17 is more of a bridge from portable and portable to desktop systems. For many enthusiasts who are "inwardly curled" in the on-the-go world and have no idea what to do with a desktop system, the M17 is a more versatile device that allows us to keep our on-the-go applications while leaving open the possibility of moving on to a desktop system.

The M17's expansiveness on the desktop side comes not only from the quality of its sound, the diversity of its ports and its huge thrust, but also from the designer's different understanding of the sound of desktop systems and on-the-go devices when mixing them, and blending them with each other to make the M17's sound a style and attribute with the combined expansiveness of both.

VI. Starting point

The M17 is part of the M series, and we can say that the M17 follows in the footsteps of many of the M series' predecessors, in terms of design and sound.

The M17 has been labelled as a "portable desktop", which means that for Fei Ao, it also wants to satisfy the growing demand for quality listening and to create a boulevard of HiFi for its fans.

In fact, there is no clear distinction between a Walkman and a desktop. The reason why Fei Ao defines the M17 as a "desktop" is that on the one hand, it shows that the M17 has the level and capability of a desktop; on the other hand, it is a combination of a Walkman and a desktop, so that we can pursue a higher level of HiFi with a portable desktop like the M17.

Perhaps the M17 is the end of the line for many people's portable devices, but I think the M17 should be more of a starting point for on-the-go players to be able to seek the concept and meaning of big headphones and desktop systems on a portable desktop like the M17, and based on the M17 itself, to move further into the broader field of desktop to seek a higher quality HiFi experience.

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Nov 17, 2021 at 2:55 AM Post #837 of 5,692
I have the Meze Empyrean. It is a very easy to drive headphone. I see so many people selling their AK SP2000 or Lotoo Paw Gold Titanium because the devices have too much power and they just need a good device with less power.

I am confused because devices such as the Fiio have a lot of Power, got it. But due to their latest chips etc., the SQ should be improved as well, right? So even if I have an easy to drive headphone, I will buy the M17 due to their specs of chips that promises extreme good SQ.
Probably the M17 doesn't concern easy to drive Headphones, but, I don't know why, last headphones I bought are very low sensitive (less than 90 Db/mW) which makes them really tricky to be use, even at home. It's a real pain, if we like to be a bit free to move to listen with a very good sound quality any elsewhere than a fixed desktop place.
None of the actual DAP on the market can drive properly an open HEDDphone One or a closed DCA Stealth without using an external power amp (desktop like THX 887 or portable like a LESS BX2+)
I still don't know if the M17 will be able to drive any of those headphones with lower than 90db/mW sensitivity without being plugged to a 12V3A charger, but I still hope for it.
 
Nov 17, 2021 at 3:17 AM Post #838 of 5,692
@FiiO, someone mentioned in the past that an external battery bank wasn't recommended, why was that?

Wouldn't a battery bank capable of meeting the USB-C PD power requirement - mine can deliver 60W PD - can you also let us know the Voltage/Amperage=Wattage specification to power the M17 via USB-C PD power, and if we can meet that spec in portable form that would work as well?

I can use that same battery bank to deliver 12VDC3A(->10A) to the M17 with the correct cable. But it would be nice to find a smaller power bank to supply USB-C PD power to the M17 for compact portable use.

Thank you FiiO! - Scott


@FiiO (or someone else from FiiO) posted an M17 DC input upper range of 16V, and this FiiO posting says a minimum of 11V, so @FiiO would a charger putting out 12VDC x 3A = 36W at an equivalent 36W capable power charger in the range of 11V-16V @ 36W also be an acceptable alternative?
Actually something like this should solve the issue, with 8 18650 batteries. The limit is 16V and this is at 14.4V, and provides upto 5A. As clean power as it gets:

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Nov 17, 2021 at 3:40 AM Post #839 of 5,692
Actually something like this should solve the issue, with 8 18650 batteries. The limit is 16V and this is at 14.4V, and provides upto 5A. As clean power as it gets:

@FiiO - What do you think, will an external power pack of rechargeable lithium-ion batteries with enough Current and Voltage to meet the letter of the power specification for the M17, work ok? Have you done any testing of powering the DC input with external battery packs?

That one is built with "older" technology 18650's, the newest available 21700's pack 5000mah each and deliver 20amps and fast charge quickly, I'd try to find an external power pack built with 21700's if I were buying/building new now.

The Lion batteries are giving way to Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry or LiFePO batteries. Tthey would be best for internal and external use because they have 4000 cycle lifetime to 80% instead of 200-400x of Lithium Ion. For larger packs like my Ravpower RP-PB187 (built with 18650 batteries) I would hope Ravpower comes out with a similar sized unit using LiFePO batteries.
...I still don't know if the M17 will be able to drive any of those headphones with lower than 90db/mW sensitivity without being plugged to a 12V3A charger, but I still hope for it.
It would be nice if a portable battery solution - using 21700's would be built to "match" the size/dimensions of the M17 to "piggback" under the M17 to provide 12VDC range power to the M17 to give full power output while mobile... @FiiO ? :ksc75smile:
 
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Nov 17, 2021 at 3:56 AM Post #840 of 5,692
@FiiO - What do you think, will an external power pack of rechargeable lithium-ion batteries with enough Current and Voltage to meet the letter of the power specification for the M17, work ok? Have you don't any testing of powering the DC input with external battery packs?

That one is built with "older" technology 18650's, the newest available 21700's pack 5000mah each and deliver 20amps and fast charge quickly, I'd try to find an external power pack built with 21700's if I were buying/building new now.

The Lion batteries are giving way to Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry or LiFePO batteries. Tthey would be best for internal and external use because they have 4000 cycle lifetime to 80% instead of 200-400x of Lithium Ion. For larger packs like my Ravpower RP-PB187 (built with 18650 batteries) I would hope Ravpower comes out with a similar sized unit using LiFePO batteries.

It would be nice if a portable battery solution - using 21700's would be built to "match" the size/dimensions of the M17 to "piggback" under the M17 to provide 12VDC range power to the M17 to give full power output while mobile... @FiiO ? :ksc75smile:
Unfortunately the 21700 based packs are more than twice more expensive than 18650 based packs. With my ADI-2 I can listen about 7 hours with a 3S3P configuration. So, considering that I chose a cheaper solution.

Yes, I know I can build one myself but I was just too lazy. :p
 

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