[Whitigir]

You mean that 3 kg device that has a battery unit the size of M17 and is a completely different category of a device? Oh, that has the most horrible customer service and software implementation I have seen in the last years? It is a completely different device.

What was your expectation? That they made the impossible possbile and deliver 6W in total, which is nearly double of any DAP out there, in such a small case with display and everything and not need external cooling? Again, when running from the battery, it does not need cooling. They could have just not provide the option of external power supply and 3W / channel power delivery and then you would be OK with the heat dissipation?

Really Vince, I know you like iBasso and Shanling, but this is a different device. So please let the people interested in the use cases make the judgement.

You have got me wrong, I don’t like any brands specifically. I like things that has logical technical reasons .

Yes, your money, your choices. I am not being negative about FiiO, and I am here because I originally I loved the idea of Dual ES9038Pro.

I don’t see anything wrong with dissecting the designs and technicalities of the M17 at all.

Like I mentioned, both the ES9038Pros and especially the THX being used here are running on 15V rails. Did someone mentioned about running on lower voltage rails for portable usage ? At this point, other stuff that are cramped into the M17 are more likely marketing to me. At least, the way I see it, the cooling and voltage rails are not properly the way it should be in the data sheets

Also, there is nothing impossible about using that THX chips and have it doing 6W per channel either. Pretty basic stuff (just follow data sheets and consult THX). What is impossible would be to Fit Both ES9038Pros and using both THX with a proper cooling, proper voltage rails, proper power source, in such a small package. I was attracted to here due to those possibilities when it all began, and I am here to see how it is going, by far, I am yet to be impressed

 

[ozz007]

You guys think this is legit?

https://hifigo.com/collections/new-arrival/products/fiio-m17

 

[I Am Acorn]

You guys think this is legit?

https://hifigo.com/collections/new-arrival/products/fiio-m17

I thought it wasn't till I saw the orignal m17 unboxing guy post the link on YouTube

 

[FiiO]

Other than extensive audio connectors, the #FiiO Desktop Portable Music Player M17# also features a DC input port, and is equipped with two sets of power supply systems- battery and DC power supply. The battery provides convenient use scenarios, unlike DC power supply which will be limited in many cases. While under DC power supply, the power supply voltage of the internal analog circuit is 35% higher than that of the battery, and the battery will not work at this time. This helps to protect the battery even for long-term use.
On October 26, 2021, #FiiO 2021 Autumn New Products Launch Event IV# will straightly get to you. Let's stay tuned for it.

 

[John Blackshear]

Other than extensive audio connectors, the #FiiO Desktop Portable Music Player M17# also features a DC input port, and is equipped with two sets of power supply systems- battery and DC power supply. The battery provides convenient use scenarios, unlike DC power supply which will be limited in many cases. While under DC power supply, the power supply voltage of the internal analog circuit is 35% higher than that of the battery, and the battery will not work at this time. This helps to protect the battery even for long-term use.
On October 26, 2021, #FiiO 2021 Autumn New Products Launch Event IV# will straightly get to you. Let's stay tuned for it.

Been waiting for this!!

 

[duyu]

Looking forward to M17!
My question is on the software side- whether it supports Apple Music or other future lossless streaming apps.

 

[Lumithium]

Will there be ASIO driver support for M17?

 

[JamesFiiO]

Will there be ASIO driver support for M17?

sure .

 

[JamesFiiO]

Looking forward to M17!
My question is on the software side- whether it supports Apple Music or other future lossless streaming apps.

Not problem to support Apple music and all lossless streaming apps right now.

 

[hmscott]

What we dont see in the photo showing the 15v vs 12v supply plug is what the maximum current of the supply was. And I assume the 12v supply will need to be able to supply more current than the M17 alpha version 15v supply ; more precisely not neccesarily what the rating of it was but how much the M17 would actually draw from it maximum when operating. So I'm saying operating the amp circuit at a lower voltage will permit them to draw more current from a 12v supply than the circuit would from a 15v supply. And, those audio amplifier output impedance design parameters would have already been in the M17 before the DC input Voltage change.

FiiO could have choosen a higher current output power supply at 15v as well, also acomplishing a higher wattage input with less current required. And, the DC input voltage change 12v/15v isn't going to change/affect the audio output circuit impedance.

My question is how/what did FiiO change internally in the M17 so close to release to change the power supply and the resulting operating voltage from 15v to 12v?

My guess would be FiiO changed the power supply due to a pandemic induced availability limitation, and then changed a resister/strap option to accomodate the change. Perhaps firmware changes to increase the current drawn from the "DC" power supply. Perhaps the 15v power supply became less available, or a 12v power supply with higher current became available and less expensive.

Note that the USB power and battery power are also DC power, FiiO could use a better differentiator for the 12v/15v power supply than simply "DC" especially since an external power supply is usually consdered an "AC" power supply - because it plugs into the AC wall socket - even though the AC power supply usually outputs DC to the target device.

It might be helpful to offer the customer an option to use a 15v (or higher voltage) power supply as well, with either autoswitching compatibility with 12v/15v or a boot-time firmware option.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the higher current and higher wattage output power supply runs much hotter, as well as raising the power output capability of the M17 I also imagine the M17 will now run hotter as well at the higher wattage output range.

 

[ozz007]

Will this also support MQA?

 

[JamesFiiO]

You have got me wrong, I don’t like any brands specifically. I like things that has logical technical reasons .

Yes, your money, your choices. I am not being negative about FiiO, and I am here because I originally I loved the idea of Dual ES9038Pro.

I don’t see anything wrong with dissecting the designs and technicalities of the M17 at all.

Like I mentioned, both the ES9038Pros and especially the THX being used here are running on 15V rails. Did someone mentioned about running on lower voltage rails for portable usage ? At this point, other stuff that are cramped into the M17 are more likely marketing to me. At least, the way I see it, the cooling and voltage rails are not properly the way it should be in the data sheets

Also, there is nothing impossible about using that THX chips and have it doing 6W per channel either. Pretty basic stuff (just follow data sheets and consult THX). What is impossible would be to Fit Both ES9038Pros and using both THX with a proper cooling, proper voltage rails, proper power source, in such a small package. I was attracted to here due to those possibilities when it all began, and I am here to see how it is going, by far, I am yet to be impressed

We have put a THX 788+ inside M17, not the THX 888 which has bigger power output, in fact, the original THX 788 can't push out 3W constantly so we have to change the output stage OP amp , and that is also the reason we change the 15V to 12V. and provide a stand with fan so cool it down when it is powered by DC12V.

also I think for portable devide , m17 maybe the most powerful device in the world, and we are not going to make another portable device with bigger power .

 

[hmscott]

https://hifigo.com/products/fiio-m17

Anyone know If these guys are official fiio dealers?

They are not. I don't think Hifigo are official dealers for anyone for that matter

Hifigo are OK, but I don't think I would buy very expensive Iems or daps from them.

You guys think this is legit?

https://hifigo.com/collections/new-arrival/products/fiio-m17

I thought it wasn't till I saw the orignal m17 unboxing guy post the link on YouTube

Yes Hifigo.com is legit, I've bought many FiiO / Topping / KBear / KZ / GFCraftsman / Xduoo / etc items from Hifigo.com over the last 2+ years and Hifigo.com has always been reliable throughout the pandemic at getting items to me quickly.

Hifigo works directly with FiiO and that is where I bought my Pre-order for the M15 FiiO bundle, BTR5 Pre-Order, BTR3k Pre-Order FiiO items from Hifigo.

I use Hifigo's $25 express shipping and got my packages delivered to me quicker than any other China/Aliexpress shippers. Hifigo checks with each of their shipping companies to find the current quickest route to get to me. Hifigo has used Fedex, DHL, and other shipping services that get to me even quicker than Fedex/DHL - they connect with the UPS and USPS for local delivery.

I also bought my Topping D90 MQA Pre-Order + Topping A90 and Xduoo TA-20 from Hifigo.com.

I'm also expecting to purchase my M17 from Hifigo.com.

You can ask Hifigo questions at support@hifigo.com

You have got me wrong, I don’t like any brands specifically. I like things that has logical technical reasons .

Yes, your money, your choices. I am not being negative about FiiO, and I am here because I originally I loved the idea of Dual ES9038Pro.

I don’t see anything wrong with dissecting the designs and technicalities of the M17 at all.

Like I mentioned, both the ES9038Pros and especially the THX being used here are running on 15V rails. Did someone mentioned about running on lower voltage rails for portable usage ? At this point, other stuff that are cramped into the M17 are more likely marketing to me. At least, the way I see it, the cooling and voltage rails are not properly the way it should be in the data sheets

Also, there is nothing impossible about using that THX chips and have it doing 6W per channel either. Pretty basic stuff (just follow data sheets and consult THX). What is impossible would be to Fit Both ES9038Pros and using both THX with a proper cooling, proper voltage rails, proper power source, in such a small package. I was attracted to here due to those possibilities when it all began, and I am here to see how it is going, by far, I am yet to be impressed

I agree, I am also impressed with the FiiO M17 components, and I look forward to more reviews before I make a purchase.

Let me know if you're able to make an order and how because my brain is scrambled

The M17 is a heck of a package, and I want to see how it operates in depth before jumping into one myself.

And, I expect to purchase my M17 from Hifigo.com, not from the China PD.com Pre-Sale.

Update: Hifigo.com added the FiiO M17 for sale on their site - https://hifigo.com/collections/new-arrival/products/fiio-m17 for $1999.00
Pre-Order Note:- FiiO M17 will be shipments will begin by end of this month by order number sequence.

I've emailed support@hifigo.com to ask if they miscalculated their $1999.99 price,
as FiiO has the M17 listed for ￥11999.00 which currently = USD $1879

Update: FiiO has their M11 Plus Ltd for M11 Plus Ltd $782.84 on JD.com while HIfigo has it for $749.99 on Amazon which is cheaper...I'm waiting for Hifigo's response for their M17 price...

Update: Hifigo confirms that $1999.99 is their price: "Sorry for late reply during weekend. the M17 is listed at $1999 on our store because oversea market we have a lot of extra cost etc and the quantity is limited." Sorry for my own late update, their response came 4+ hours ago and I only read it now.

 

[ozz007]

Will this also support MQA?

 

[hmscott]

Will this also support MQA?

FiiO's JD.com M17 Pre-Sale listing includes MQA 8(x) Support:

"Dual ES9038PRO丨Dual THX-AAA-788+丨Dual power supply system | Dual mode volume control丨Qualcomm QCC5124丨XMOS-XUF208 | Support MQA-8丨 "

The back of the FiiO M17 also has the MQA Logo (highlighted in Yellow) at the bottom: