the cirrus logic isnt a bad chip per se, as it is used in many midtier dongles but companys often use 2 of them in a dual dac configuration these days. andysaudiovault tested many of them and as i said, there not generally bed, its also a question of how they are implented, the amp stage etc. Out of curiosity i really would like to do an A/B comparison with those little powerhouses. But still the KA17 is not available in Germany. Its like with every new Fiio product, Germany is the last country to get it, months after everyone already has the new products in hand.