[Joong]

Yes thats the theory behind it and it'll also present a consistent result on the matter no how many times you run the numbers through.

The difference as @twister6 puts it is how we percieve that result, which is influenced per a large number of factors that the theory simply doesnt account for. Unless all those factors are somehow quantified and accounted for, perception simply can't be scientifically verified.

Knowing the cable with respect to engineering point of view is different to the musical point of view.
Interpretation of engineering parameters by the machine which collects some information useful for human aid, is not equally interpreted by human brain which is after romantic dreams.
Needs of Human who dreams is not the same level of needs of machine which is after human requirements.

I agree with your point but would like to clarify your second sentence. The science of how a cable works is well understood. It’s your perception that can’t be scientifically verified.

Probably the well understanding is not sufficient for relating those engineering parameters to human emotion / brain function which might has its own interpretation map.
For engineering, the cable is simple passive element aka filter or antenna, so that it can be modeled as higher order as possible to get the engineering goal.
However for emotional goal (if there is well defined combination of quantities) might require another higher level which is unnecessarily higher order modelling of filter / antenna.

 

[KuroKitsu]

Knowing the cable with respect to engineering point of view is different to the musical point of view.
Interpretation of engineering parameters by the machine which collects some information useful for human aid, is not equally interpreted by human brain which is after romantic dreams.
Needs of Human who dreams is not the same level of needs of machine which is after human requirements.

Probably the well understanding is not sufficient for relating those engineering parameters to human emotion / brain function which might has its own interpretation map.
For engineering, the cable is simple passive element aka filter or antenna, so that it can be modeled as higher order as possible to get the engineering goal.
However for emotional goal (if there is well defined combination of quantities) might require another higher level which is unnecessarily higher order modelling of filter / antenna.

Err if I understand you correctly, thats what all of us that have responded have pretty much said.

Engineering of the cable is: you use xyz combination of techiques you'll get wave abc. It will ALWAYS be wave abc.

What people hear is: Ask 10 different people you might hear ABC, ABc Abc, aBC, aBc..... Etc.

If you want an explanation engineering wise, you're gonna have a bad time

 

[aaf evo]

I guess it's my turn So, here is my take on Effect Audio Leonidas II cable, just posted here.

Great review as always. How would you compare the Leo II to the Ares 8 wire ?

 

[twister6]

Great review as always. How would you compare the Leo II to the Ares 8 wire ?

These are two different wires in terms of how they affect the tonality and the sound presentation (Leo II is smoother with more body in mids, while Ares II/8wire is more mid-forward with brighter mids). You can probably get a better idea if you compare Pair-up sections of my Ares II 8wire bespoke and Leo II reviews, relative to the same IEMs I used under test. Of course, if you care about ergonomics, 26awg Leo II (with 4 conductors) is hands down more comfortable to wear

 

[EffectAudio]

@EffectAudio
Curious about the build time for a Horus. The page doesnt say anything about lead time.

Horus lead time would be 5-7 days. Meanwhile, we are preparing to reopen the pre-order for Leonidas II soon! Keep posted!

-Eric

 

[noper]

Eros II 8-wire is officially on the way! Express of course.

 

[KuroKitsu]

Horus lead time would be 5-7 days. Meanwhile, we are preparing to reopen the pre-order for Leonidas II soon! Keep posted!

-Eric

Does Leo II have a longer lead time in comparison to Horus because of the Palladium?

Man deciding is hard. Leo II or Horus...

 

[EffectAudio]

Does Leo II have a longer lead time in comparison to Horus because of the Palladium?

Man deciding is hard. Leo II or Horus...

Quite a bit longer because demand for “Leonidas II" is currently huge while we are having a shortage of materials. Pre-order for "Leonidas II" will be reopening sometime today with limited units. Estimated ship out date for that batch would be mid of November.

-Eric

 

[KuroKitsu]

Quite a bit longer because demand for “Leonidas II" is currently huge while we are having a shortage of materials. Pre-order for "Leonidas II" will be reopening sometime today with limited units. Estimated ship out date for that batch would be mid of November.

-Eric

Ouch thats a long wait for Leo II, it must be good. Are you currently doing Bespoked Leo II or just 4 wires because of the material shortage?

 

[aaf evo]

Ouch thats a long wait for Leo II, it must be good. Are you currently doing Bespoked Leo II or just 4 wires because of the material shortage?

An 8 wire Leo II? I couldn’t even imagine!

 

[KuroKitsu]

An 8 wire Leo II? I couldn’t even imagine!

Eh, when you own a Ferrari you don't simply put regular gas in it. You go all out. The plan right now is a silver cable for Zeus, than probably the SE100.

 

[EffectAudio]

Ouch thats a long wait for Leo II, it must be good. Are you currently doing Bespoked Leo II or just 4 wires because of the material shortage?

Just doing the "Leonidas II" in 4 wires variant at the moment, yes. It's a rather Deja Vu situation over here as i remembered "Leonidas" was the same situation during it's launch and lead time / production only got settled down after close to 2 quarters of the year. I would like to thank all of you for the support of our products!

-Eric

An 8 wire Leo II? I couldn’t even imagine!

Me too! I will definitely test them out when i have a chance. Unfortunately, at the moment, there isn't even any Leonidas II 4 wires in EA office lying around that i can listen to at the moment =/

 

[KuroKitsu]

Even the universe is guiding me towards a Horus. A shame Leo II preorder doesnt line up with my budget timing. Otherwise Id get a 4 wire first anyways

I would like to thank all of you for the support of our products!

Unfortunately, at the moment, there isn't even any Leonidas II 4 wires in EA office lying around that i can listen to at the moment =/

All I can say is if EA keeps making this black magic happen, we'll keep coming.

I guess the fact that you cant even scrounge up a Leo II at the office means you're doing your job very well Eric.

 

[EffectAudio]

Even the universe is guiding me towards a Horus. A shame Leo II preorder doesnt line up with my budget timing. Otherwise Id get a 4 wire first anyways


All I can say is if EA keeps making this black magic happen, we'll keep coming.

I guess the fact that you cant even scrounge up a Leo II at the office you're doing you job very well Eric.

Without all of you guys, the magic wouldn't happen. I do remember couple of years back, when we first started out, there were much unsatisfactory aspects to our cable design (heavy Y-split, stiff cables etc). Without a doubt, it's you guys that gave us constructive feedbacks that helped us improved along the way and refined our products. I really do appreciate all the emails and pm chat that we've had with the community and at the shows - part of the reason why i haven't retired or pass down the role of frontline customer service to my staffs yet.

All in all, a BIG THANK YOU to our users and the head-fi community!

Meanwhile...in other news..... Its LIVE!!

 

[aaf evo]

If I could get my hands on that black Leo II .. ugh