Double Helix Cables Thread
Jun 5, 2016 at 1:49 PM Post #976 of 2,056
Hey guys ,
 
I am thinking of buying a Silver Peptide V2 6-wire Silver for my NT6 

i have 2 questions , if you have any personal experience/wisdom here , please help me out 
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1) would the SP V2 6-wire pair well with the NT6 ? what kind of sound change/improvement did you owners see ?

2) is the SP V3 an improved version or are the sonic differences/improvement between V2 and V3 small ?
 
 
any help/feedback would be most appreciated 
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Jun 5, 2016 at 8:18 PM Post #977 of 2,056
anyone know whats the current waiting time for the c4 ?
 
Jun 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM Post #978 of 2,056
Jun 7, 2016 at 7:35 AM Post #979 of 2,056
OMG
WOW
 
Peter exemplifies "audio artisan" to me - sonically and aestectically!!!!
DHC has been at the forefront, IMHO, of high-performance headphone cables since I first heard em a few years ago now -
 
Like Lee Weiland of CryoParts and Locus Design Group before him (Lee was more USB and straight-up RCA and XLR interconnects, etc..) Peter has managed to forge ahead of the pack and sits there alone as far as I'm concerned, right now...
 
I mean I use a variety of cables, from Kimber to Nordost, but DHC is my main headphone lead most of the time!!
 
JUST received this new Molecule elite silver 22 for my ETHER & ETHER-Cs!

 
Runnin' new Skogrand cables for USB and XLR interconnects -(that I got from Knut at THE Show Newport) 
Using my MacBook Pro SSD / Amarra + Amarra-for-TIDAL - STACKED-n-Racked MacBook 
 
and this is just KILLIN' me - TONS of air/dimensionality. The dynamic range is just downright F____in stunning.
I'm in sonic heaven right now!!!
 
Working on a column dedicated to Mr. Bradstock and DHC
YEAH YEAH 
 
Jun 7, 2016 at 7:57 AM Post #980 of 2,056
OMG
WOW

Peter exemplifies "audio artisan" to me - sonically and aestectically!!!!
DHC has been at the forefront, IMHO, of high-performance headphone cables since I first heard em a few years ago now -

Like Lee Weiland of CryoParts and Locus Design Group before him (Lee was more USB and straight-up RCA and XLR interconnects, etc..) Peter has managed to forge ahead of the pack and sits there alone as far as I'm concerned, right now...

I mean I use a variety of cables, from Kimber to Nordost, but DHC is my main headphone lead most of the time!!

JUST received this new Molecule elite silver 22 for my ETHER & ETHER-Cs!



Runnin' new Skogrand cables for USB and XLR interconnects -(that I got from Knut at THE Show Newport) 
Using my MacBook Pro SSD / Amarra + Amarra-for-TIDAL - STACKED-n-Racked MacBook 

and this is just KILLIN' me - TONS of air/dimensionality. The dynamic range is just downright F____in stunning.
I'm in sonic heaven right now!!!

Working on a column dedicated to Mr. Bradstock and DHC
YEAH YEAH 

Sush. At least until my xlr chaparone 3 interconnect is made. I may also need a c4 balance cable and a back up v3 silver iem 8 braid. The wait time is long enough already :blink:
 
Jun 11, 2016 at 6:23 AM Post #981 of 2,056
Received all my DHC cables and adapters today. I am so happy. Listening impressions later but already I can say that built quality is top.













This short Cable is to connect my AK100+MOJO to my SHURE KSE1500 that should arrive next week :wink: custom made for me by DHC at the exact needed lengh

 
Jun 11, 2016 at 10:03 AM Post #982 of 2,056
Received all my DHC cables and adapters today. I am so happy. Listening impressions later but already I can say that built quality is top.













This short Cable is to connect my AK100+MOJO to my SHURE KSE1500 that should arrive next week :wink: custom made for me by DHC at the exact needed lengh



Oh my these are beautiful!
I'm glad you got them and hopefully enjoying them too.

I shall be getting, and posting, about a truly TOTL cable for one of my headphones in some weeks time, but Peter has been going full on making awesome bespoke cables as of late ^^
 
Jun 11, 2016 at 10:15 AM Post #983 of 2,056
Long shot, but if anyone is looking to let go of their Fusion Type 2 Litz cables, do let me know!
Absolutely love the sound of them, a masterpiece from Peter indeed!
 
Jun 11, 2016 at 4:25 PM Post #984 of 2,056
I recently received my first DHC cables (Molecule "Peptide Hybrid"). They're for my my Edition 5 headphones with a 2.5mm balanced plug.

Other than the 6-month wait time I'm very impressed with them. They're definitely the nicest looking cables I've owned including a few other custom cables from other vendors. Really liking the connentors and splitter as well. I'm not the biggest believer in cables making a significant sonic difference, but I noticed right away these made everything sound more vivid.



 
Jun 12, 2016 at 6:33 AM Post #985 of 2,056
I recently received my first DHC cables (Molecule "Peptide Hybrid"). They're for my my Edition 5 headphones with a 2.5mm balanced plug.

Other than the 6-month wait time I'm very impressed with them. They're definitely the nicest looking cables I've owned including a few other custom cables from other vendors. Really liking the connentors and splitter as well. I'm not the biggest believer in cables making a significant sonic difference, but I noticed right away these made everything sound more vivid.




 
 
That's one helluva beautiful cable! <3
 
Jun 12, 2016 at 7:42 AM Post #987 of 2,056
gotta admit - when my girl prefers THIS KINDA JEWELRY:



I feel BLESSED - and wonder how she doesn't realize she's a complete anomaly!!!!
:atsmile:

BAHAHAHAHA, awesome dude (and thanks for the Messenger post) ^^

You're both excellent and I'm really happy for you both too. I mean that <3
Moreso STOP MAKING ME ENVIOUS OF AWESOME DHC JEWELLERY!
Jk jk ha ha, but you already know of my ultra awesome project Peter and I are cooking together. :p

I'm actually in the middle of posting about it now on this thread!

But yeah dude tell us more about Harmony's lovely new DHC cable :D
 
Jun 12, 2016 at 9:02 AM Post #988 of 2,056
Right guy's, here goes...
 
Before I begin, know that this is a long post and has multiple themes, the main ones being to better explain Peter's art of cable making, the new Molecule Elite 22 series (now one of three DHC flagship designs, alongside Complement4 and Spore4), why Peter and I chose a particular design for a cable I am about to receive, and to hopefully help others get a cable that might suit them. 
I really do hope this does help others when thinking of getting a DHC cable and that this post is an interesting read overall.
Also bear in mind, DHC cables take weeks and months to builf=d; always factor this in, but as you can see in this thread and elsewhere, the wait is tied with bespoke, high-end manufacturing and superb pieces of art. It really is worth the wait.
Peter is focused with real-world science and technologically with all his designs; this is what separates him from the competition.
 
Ok...
 
Peter (of Double Helix Cables, for anyone who lives under a rock) and I have been in talks over a special set of mini-projects for a new, simple yet powerful portable and desktop setup surrounding my current Onkyo DP-X1 digital audio player, and upcoming Ca svalli Audio Carbon (unless I can score an iFi Audio Pro iCan...).
The idea is that the DP-X1 is my main frontend, and to have a fully balanced portable and desktop solution.
 
Part of this project revolves around using my current headphones as is, no upgrades.
Right now my best headphones, ones I love, are my Audeze EL-8 Titanium, which are a part of the 2016 Audeze revamped line including the EL-8 series.
I consider my EL-8 Ti as my everyday, for almost anything, headphones, and yes I do use it for outdoor use/commute/travel/etc. I might be small in stature but I think I rock the cans well :wink:
I'm not joking, these headphones beat anything I use, even my Heir Audio 4.Ai IEM's with my (current) best DHC cable, the Molecule SP Symbiote Fusion 8-Wire balanced cable, and AKG K 712 with a prototype DHC cable.
 
Currently for my EL-8 headphones I use a Molecule Elite Fusion 4-Wire balanced cable, which was originally single-ended when I got the 2015 EL-8 CB last year before circumstances led me to acquire the EL-8 Titanium and re-termination of my cable by Peter.
This cable was a world-first using 3D printed Zync connectors for the EL-8 series at the time (2015), and can be found on DHC's FB page (not linking he he he).
 
Now, I asked Peter to do something for me for my EL-8 Ti; to build the finest balanced cable for it that is also practical.
That's not as easy as you might think.
 
First, a short preamble.
As far as I know, an ultimate EL-8 cable from DHC does exist out in the wild. It is a true Complement4 Silver Litz cable. (I think it is 8-Wire but could be 4-Wire). That cable is a monster, and I do know that it was an insane, and very difficult build Peter did as a one-off.
I will say right now that even if it sounds great and is the world's best EL-8 cable, it certainly is NOT practical, and I urge everyone NOT to ask Peter to build this; it is genuinely THAT hard and very impractical, especially due to the EL-8's delicate Zync connectors. You could end up damaging the Zync male connector and/or the Zync female jack in the EL-8 cups themselves.
 
Peter and I are very good friends and talk often, and some of the builds he shows me and talks off are amazing. But that Complement4 EL-8 cable was too much.
Knowing about that crazy Complement4 EL-8 cable, and Peter's opinions on it, I asked Peter to make something special for me, with his ideas, technical know-how and experience. I wanted him to build me the ultimate cable that he believes will suit the EL-8 headphones, a masterpiece cable. A piece of audio art. One that is practical.
 
Peter had an idea; to take the best of the core technology of the Complement4 series (the functional parts) and combine that with the practical and flexible Molecule Elite series, but also have a re-think regarding 8-Wire and 4-Wire designs.
 
He succeeded.
 
So, the full name of my cable: Double Helix Cables Molecule Elite 22 OCC Silver Litz 4-Wire balanced cable.
The 22 alludes to the AWG used.
Yes, you read that right, 22AWG SILVER!!!!!! :xf_eek:
This cable has 3D printed Zync connectors and terminated in 2.5 mm Eidolic connector. The splitter is a custom silver aluminium/silver carbon to better match the aesthetics of the EL-8 Titanium headphones, though Peter spoiled me for choice on many different styles (a dangerous rabbit hole let me tell you...).
I opted for no extra sleeving and a naked look to truly show off the brilliant silver enameled look of the cable.
The 'functional' part of my cable is IDENTICAL to the Complement4 series: 98 strands of OCC silver litz dispensed in 14 bundles of 7 strands with carbon-based cores. This cable doesn't "have clear insulation over the strands like a typical wire, it has cotton, which is sealed in a teflon wrap and then insulated over with carbon based insulation" (a direct quote of Peter describing the cable over on FB Messenger to me; other bits of this paragraph are paraphrased from our FB Messenger discussions).
 
Here is a pic Peter took of my cable almost built (a fully built cable pic is at the end of this post):
 

 
 
Now, here's where things get interesting...
Peter wanted to prove a point regarding 4-Wire and 8-Wire cables, and via our discussions he revealed that he wanted to, for a while, put into place to phase out 8-Wire designs using 22AWG 4-Wire designs, which are superior. Thus, he decided to commercially offer his solution to all, though I believe my cable is a world first for his new ideas. (Please not that the phase out are for headphones only; in-ear monitors can still be had in 8-Wire configurations).
Here is an official description from this link:
 
 Molecule Elite 22

We are doing a "soft launch" of our new Elite 22awg silver wire.  This wire has the same overall strand count in a 4 wire cable as our previous 8-wire flagship and is exclusive to Molecule Elite for headphone - it will eventually replace 8-wire for Molecule Elite.  This wire has the same 14-bundle OCC pure silver litz structure and carbon based core as our Silver Complement4 - we feel it is slightly superior to using 8 smaller wires.  For what it is, it is very compact - even smaller than our first 24awg Peptide litz copper wire - just 1.6mm per wire.  

To get this cable first, order a silver 8-wire cable and check the box below under "cable upgrade."
Be sure to select either DHC logo shrink, silver aluminum or gold aluminum Eidolic splitter, or a 3D printed splitter - these are what fit.  
Elite 22 is not intended to be ordered with sleeving - choose "naked."

 
The main difference, then, between the ultimate Complement4 and the ultimate Molecule Elite 22AWG OCC Silver Litz is bulk and shielding on the former, however at this point the differences will be very small.
A Complement4, and Spore4, are still the true ultimate cables, but for practicality and cost (and sanity), consider the Molecule Elite 22 as an alternative, more casual Complement4, a very small step down.
The Fusion Complement4 and Copper Complement4 Elevated design series is below the above two silver titans respectively.
 
Why this is important to say this above is tied to the EL-8 series.
The Zync connectors are very difficult to work with when using large AWG cable strands, so an 8-Wire design is ridiculous. The introduction of the Molecule Elite 22 series allows for the core Complement4 technology design and flexibility of the Molecule Elite series to be a new reality.
Thus, my cable is the current flagship of the EL-8 cable simply because it is more practical at home and away.
 
I will shortly get my Molecule Elite 22 cable this month (hopefully next week?) but I hope this inspires others who want the best cable to not just look at the Complement4/Spore4 series, but also consider the Molecule Elite 22 series too.
The Molecule Elite 22 series is a fraction of the cost of the Complement4 and Spore 4, with the same functional design, and less bulk. This should open up possibilities for anyone who wanted an ultimate cable but cheaper. Double Helic Cables now offers three TOTL silver designs.
The Molecule Elite 22 is suitable for almost any headphone too.
 
In my opinion, if you want the ultimate cable for everyday use at home and away, the Molecule Elite 22 is it.
Consider the Complement4 and Spore 4 for at home use only, and also only for the absolute TOTL headphones.
 
If this has actually made you re-think and want an alternative ultimate cable at a more affordable price (the Molecule Elite 22), or you want further info, please contact myself and Peter (tell him I sent you!).
 
I really believe that the Molecule Elite 22 is Peter's magnum opus, simply because it is a re-think on cable design suitable for any headphone, easier to build over the Complement4/Spore4, and is far more flexible.
 
Headphone cables ought to be flexible anyway, because headphones are not static and are always mobile when in use, so that is why I Peter and I decided to create this special Molecule Elite 22 OCC Silver Litz 4-Wire balanced cable for my EL-8 Titanium headphones.
 
Hope you enjoyed my post, and here's the finished cable Peter took a pic of:
 

 
I'll post more pics and comparison pics when I get my new cable!
 
I'm also prevalent over on Twitter too :wink:
 
Jun 13, 2016 at 12:29 AM Post #990 of 2,056


Hi. Ive been using my DHC copper for a year plus now.. My dealer told me that it's enameled and won't turn green. After a year plus now, a tiny oxidation colour appears on the cable. Will it spread?
 

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