DIY Earbuds
Nov 19, 2020 at 10:18 PM Post #2,341 of 4,714
Pinouts of 2.5mm balanced plug have very little space for soldering. You have 8 wires that you need to solder on 4 pins, so you have to pre-connect two wires into one for each channel, which will increase their thickness and the contact surface itself, which makes soldering much more difficult, and you also have to take into account when connecting other parts that the inner wires do not touch or separate. IMHO it's more profitable to buy pre-made 8-core cable rather than lose nerve.
And I'm not even going to talk about the 16-core cable, it's a nightmare. And I think it is overkill for earbuds.

Agree 100%.

Except in rare cases, I choose to buy a premade cable over DIY every time!

When I have to do my own cables, I try and go with 4 core cables. As @furyossa pointed out 8 core cables are a PITA to solder, and 16 core cables are fugetaboutit!
 
Nov 19, 2020 at 10:34 PM Post #2,342 of 4,714
Agree 100%.

Except in rare cases, I choose to buy a premade cable over DIY every time!

When I have to do my own cables, I try and go with 4 core cables. As @furyossa pointed out 8 core cables are a PITA to solder, and 16 core cables are fugetaboutit!
I'm just telling the truth :)
But I would rather solder 2.5mm with 8- cores than the damn MMCX with 4-core. They make me ...:rage::gun:
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 12:12 AM Post #2,343 of 4,714
Thanks @furyossa For now I let it burn in some more, and it is improving. I'll keep your advise in case I got the itch to mod it in the future.
Could it be the correct "timbre" and the natural mids that make it easy to listen? As I said, in the MX500 housing it reminds me of a single driver, full-range speaker. :ksc75smile:
Tag: 300 Ohm N52
UPDATE: Sorry I can't stand (that) silver plated cable with the 300 Ohm N52 driver in MX500 housing. As with many things audio, synergy and finding a good combo is important. So, I decided to put a good copper wire, advertised as 160 strand copper (maybe 40 per wire, 160 for left-right-positive-negative)
The result immediately made me smile :ksc75smile: Much better bass, much fuller sound, and great fidelity. I mean now I'm catching the words of some songs I never cared to learn the lyrics of. And for a non-native English speaker, this is a huge deal. This is much more enjoyable now.
If I may summarize, for 300 Ohm N52 driver:
If using standard plastic housing, use copper cable. If using metal housing (especially with the @furyossa wooden chamber mod) use pure silver cable. Silver plated cable (in my limited experience) is not a good option with this driver.

I didn't post how I build that model. I use Electric Mini Drill for the inner hole and sandpaper to shape the outside. You can find it in a local hardware store probably.
The inner cavity will be cylindrical. On the drawing in the previous post, inner walls follow the shape of outside the wall. This is good only if you have hardwood otherwise the shell will crack. And by hardwood, I mean "stabilized wood".
Well noted with thanks. Very inspiring. Let me go to my cave and see what I come up with..:ksc75smile:

I have Rosemary, and the 19-21 32ohm driver is much better, like 1-2 tiers higher. It's also half the price, you can literally buy 2 pairs of 19-21 for the price. Better extension both ways, more details, more dynamic etc. I think subwoofer had the diy 150ohm drivers and had similar opinion. I'm not sure if the Rosemary's driver is the same as the diy driver though, but it definitely looks extremely similar.
Hi @robar, I think a while ago you were also looking at the 300 Ohm N52 driver. Hope my impressions help with your decision. Sort of giving back to the community, since you guys have shared a lot, from which I benefit also.
I also had some interest in the 150 Ohm Blue Blob, but after listening to the 300 Ohm, and having owned the 19-21 32 Ohm, my interest in that driver diminished by a lot. Not saying bad about it necessarily, I just feel I better put my money elsewhere. FWIW, the 300 Ohm N52 also have blue blob, similar marking and solder trace, that make me believe they may come from the same factory, and same generation of drivers.
 

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Nov 20, 2020 at 12:24 AM Post #2,344 of 4,714
Wow,:nerd: I have never seen that variant. Nice work, man. Very interesting concept.
Are you build that 14.8mm part (where goes driver ) over IEM housing?
You need to sell that patent to Smabat to make modular drivers ( Smabat ST - 11 - IEMbuds) :smiley:

Nah, nothing really special done for them. Covers are held on with glue.

The original drivers are 14.2mm but have a raised lip that fits the I.D. of the inside of 14.8mm driver covers. The edge that goes around lip on the outside did need some smoothing/filing, so it wouldn't cause hotspots or be uncomfortable as it extended beyond the covers.
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 12:39 AM Post #2,345 of 4,714
Drivers with an impedance around 150ohm are for me personally a sweet spot. Pk1 "red film" 150ohm is the DIY king for now but is rare to find only the driver
Unfortunately, there is not a large selection of these drivers for DIY
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32983256142.html (most likely the same driver was used for Rosemary)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1666800924.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976644891.html (this is the same https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32971170234.html)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001737060283.html
I didn't have a chance to use these but it is certain that they were taken from some branded earphones

And as for branded earphones, this is the current situation
- HE150ohm
- YINMAN 150ohm (OG and NEW)
- TY HI-Z F150TS/150S/150 / Balanced / TY HI-Z HP-150
- TONEKING TO180
- FAAEAL Rosemary
- Smabat ST-10s (Gold)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will cross the line here :hear_no_evil::see_no_evil::speak_no_evil::moneybag::money_with_wings:
- Astrotec Lyra Collection
- ShoonTH ESEP-01BLE / ShoonTH ESEP-01BU
- SimPhonio Dragon D3
- YUIN OK1 / YUIN PK1

BTW if someone owns one of these, please share your impression
Thanks a ton for taking the time! This is really helpful.
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 2:35 AM Post #2,346 of 4,714
Nah, nothing really special done for them. Covers are held on with glue.

The original drivers are 14.2mm but have a raised lip that fits the I.D. of the inside of 14.8mm driver covers. The edge that goes around lip on the outside did need some smoothing/filing, so it wouldn't cause hotspots or be uncomfortable as it extended beyond the covers.
I'm serious. This is a very innovative concept. There are a lot of people who can't stand earbuds and IEM because of the discomfort caused by rubber eartips and pressure by deep insertion, Also, there are some who don't like cables and mobile devices are slowly losing support by 3.5mm output.
It would be great to come up with a modular design for the inserts, which would be mounted on the IEM housing.
and these inserts would accept drivers with a diameter of 10 -14.8mm.
 
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Nov 20, 2020 at 7:16 PM Post #2,347 of 4,714
Nov 20, 2020 at 8:17 PM Post #2,348 of 4,714
@willyboyaudio

Would you mind sharing links for both the 300 ohm driver and the copper cable you used?

Are the following drivers the ones you used?
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqxzTWN
"There can be only one" (a term from Highlander movie) 300ohm driver on Ali (white or black cover). :smiley: Here is the best price
As for the cable: I own one from the first link (4 core ie. 3 wires + shield) and I use it for balanced 2.5mm cable. Very good quality
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32612774761.html (same cable here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32820310160.html)
Pre-made cable (3-core ie 2 wires + shield) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000272863965.html and https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000621754098.html
This is the Furukawa cable, very good quality. I use it for my PK1 "red film". It's a little tighter than the previous one, but the wire is better
This is the pre-made version
 
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Nov 20, 2020 at 8:56 PM Post #2,349 of 4,714
"There can be only one" (a term from Highlander movie) 300ohm driver on Ali (white or black cover). :smiley: Here is the best price
For the cable. I own one from the first link (4 core ie. 3 wires + shield) and I use it for balanced 2.5mm cable. Very good quality
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32612774761.html (same cable here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32820310160.html)
Pre-made cable (3-core ie 2 wires + shield) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000272863965.html and https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000621754098.html
This is the Furukawa cable, very good quality. I use it for my PK1 "red film". It's a little tighter than the previous one, but the wire is better
This is the pre-made version
I just find my photos for balanced cable.
These are cable parts
aaa1.jpg

This cable has 3 wires (red, green, and blue) and shield (copper). Pre-solder one wire with shield and other two together because U need only two wires, one for Left and one for Right channel
aaa2.jpg

And this is how it looks. I added also a chin slider but this is not important
aaa3.jpg
 
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Nov 20, 2020 at 9:12 PM Post #2,350 of 4,714
"There can be only one" (a term from Highlander movie) 300ohm driver on Ali (white or black cover). :smiley: Here is the best price
As for the cable: I own one from the first link (4 core ie. 3 wires + shield) ...


The cheaper listing mark the drivers as s300.

I wonder if they are the same used in Fengru White Lotus s300 or even in the Nicehck k300.
Any ideia?

I just find my images for balanced cable.

What a beautitul cable!
Is it soft or stiff?

Thank you for sharing.
 
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Nov 20, 2020 at 9:38 PM Post #2,351 of 4,714
The cheaper listing mark the drivers as s300.

I wonder if they are the same used on Fengru While Lotus s300 on even on the Nicehck k300.
Any ideia?



What a beautitul cable!
Is it soft or stiff?

Thank you for sharing.
See by yourself. At the top is Furukawa cable, a bit thinner and stiffer but with it, I have a cleaner sound
And below is "tiger" cable :) Better looking and softer cable for sure. I currently have a problem with one side, The wire in the MMCX housing probably came off.
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 10:13 PM Post #2,352 of 4,714
The cheaper listing mark the drivers as s300.
I wonder if they are the same used in Fengru White Lotus s300 or even in the Nicehck k300.
Any ideia?
Post the links for these models
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 10:38 PM Post #2,353 of 4,714
Post the links for these models

FENGRU Diy White lotus S300
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000925819488.html
1. Product Name: FENGRU Diy White lotus S300 300ohm high impedance earbud
2. Model: S300
3. Type: In-ear flat head earphone earbud
5. Impedance: 300Ω
6. Earphone sensitivity: 109dB/mW
7. Frequency range: 20-20000Hz

NICEHCK K's Earphone K300
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32783590564.html
1. Product Name: NICEHCK K's Earphone K300 300ohm hinh impedanc earbud
2. Model: K's Earphone K300
3. Type: In-ear flat head earphone earbud
5. Impedance: 300Ω
6. Earphone sensitivity: 108dB/mW
7. Frequency range: 15-25000Hz


300 Ohm drivers from NSC Store
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966949381.html
Model: S300 black
Type: dynamic
Rated power: 0.05 W
Rated resistance: 300 ohm
Frequency range: 20-20000 KHZ
Sensitivity: 108 dB/W
 
Nov 20, 2020 at 11:06 PM Post #2,354 of 4,714
FENGRU Diy White lotus S300
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000925819488.html
1. Product Name: FENGRU Diy White lotus S300 300ohm high impedance earbud
2. Model: S300
3. Type: In-ear flat head earphone earbud
5. Impedance: 300Ω
6. Earphone sensitivity: 109dB/mW
7. Frequency range: 20-20000Hz

NICEHCK K's Earphone K300
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32783590564.html
1. Product Name: NICEHCK K's Earphone K300 300ohm hinh impedanc earbud
2. Model: K's Earphone K300
3. Type: In-ear flat head earphone earbud
5. Impedance: 300Ω
6. Earphone sensitivity: 108dB/mW
7. Frequency range: 15-25000Hz


300 Ohm drivers from NSC Store
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966949381.html
Model: S300 black
Type: dynamic
Rated power: 0.05 W
Rated resistance: 300 ohm
Frequency range: 20-20000 KHZ
Sensitivity: 108 dB/W

All of these use the same driver 300ohm N52 magnet. K's F-Range 15-25kHz is a debatable question. I don't think so.
I have K's 300ohm which I didn't like because It sounds hollow at first. They use only a white horseshoe filter at the back of the driver. I broke the driver by mistake.
I bought then DIY 300ohm N52 which I've tortured this driver so much, changed the housings, solder many cables, and it still works.
You've already seen where the driver ended up. This bud has solid mid-bass.
The drum and bass guitar sounds ok. L-shape sound. Maybe you don't like it (requires more tuning than others)
 
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Nov 21, 2020 at 12:48 AM Post #2,355 of 4,714
@willyboyaudio

Would you mind sharing links for both the 300 ohm driver and the copper cable you used?

Are the following drivers the ones you used?
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqxzTWN
Sure, I can confirm that @furyossa has posted the correct items below. Please note I didn't get them from AliExpress, so I can't comment on the sellers. Hope that helps. :ksc75smile:
300ohm driver on Ali (white or black cover). :smiley: Here is the best price
Pre-made cable (3-core ie 2 wires + shield) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000272863965.html
Thank you my friend. I really like this tiger cable, very well behaving. Easy to solder, very soft and pliable, and quite affordable.
 
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