DIY Cable Questions and Comments Thread

Nov 3, 2016 at 12:51 PM Post #6,046 of 10,590
I guess I'm totally confused. He posted a picture of an XLR balanced HD650 cable. I though that is what he wanted. Sorry.

As for brass, are almost all plugs plated (Nickel, Gold) brass? 


No, but those are very common, because they are cheap to produce. Plus, the majority of people can not tell the differences due to many factors involved. However, Furutech Plugs are offered in different materials. The better it sounds, the more expensive it is to make
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 6:45 PM Post #6,047 of 10,590
  Just finished a cable for my Ether Cs. It's just 1/8" TRS connection. I could not get para-cord over the core cable which is a Gotham 11002 so I left it plain. The Y is made from a piece of
heavy duty 4:1 adhesive heat shrink I got a Home Depot. When I shrunk it down I pressed in the middle with needle nose pliers to form the "wire pants". It's a bit thick and could use some rounding on the edges, but it's sturdy. Used red para-cord for right, white for left. The Hirose connectors were not as bad as I had thought they would be. I used the lengths in the PDF that says how long to strip the wire (2mm) and how far back the crimp should be. The crimp distance wound up being a non-issue as it did not grip the wires at all. I'm a bit concerned with the lack of strain relief on these, still working out how to fix that. One positive is the para-cord is stretched pretty tight now and if you do pull on the cables, the para-cord takes the most of it. The crimps still don't grip the para-cord very well. I'm considering adding some JB Weld to attach the para-cord to the crimp. and or crimp to the wires, not sure. Soldering was actually much easier than I thought. Need a magnifying glass for my old eyes, but other wise it was easy. Stripped 2mm off the end of the wire, fluxed, tinned. Setup the third hands to hold the wire onto the solder well, added flux, cleaned my soldering iron tip, added a drop of solder, touched to the connection, and done. I wired the left and right backwards so I had to go back to the TRS and re-solder. Worked out OK just annoying. One thing I could not get was a twist on the leads from the Y to the headphones. The inner conductors just would not stay twisted.
 
I made this for use with my DX90 on my desk while at work. I'm considering another like this with a right angle TRS and stripping the 11002 inner conductors out of the outer insulation and also cut it shorter by about 1 to 2 feet. I should be able to sleeve it all with para-cord doing it this way. It will be more flexible and easier for use with my DX90 in my shirt pocket.
 
PDF on assembling the Hirose connections, see page 18: http://www.hirose.co.jp/cataloge_hp/ed_HR10_20140305.pdf
 
Anyone have a lead on the crimpers for these things?
 

 
 


 

 
 

 
 
  Been busy cable making for the Nashville headfi meet.
The first one is the same cable I made before for my Ether C, just rebuilt them. I removed the Gotham cable's insulation and shielding and put some orange para-cord over it, because go Vols and all that. Then I put a female version of the connector that Dan uses on it. The objective is to make them modular. This one is about 4 feet long.
 
Next is the same thing, but about 6 feet long using Mogami W2534 instead of the Gotham cable. I like the Mogami cable better, it works very well with Dan's connectors with all 4 conductors and the brass ring provides a good mechanical connection. On the left and right ends with only 2 wires things are not so rosy. But a glad happenstance showed me that if you let one end of that brass crimp ring go under the other, you get a good mechanical connection for strain relieve and it's easier to get to fit into the connector. I may actually go back to the 4 foot version and do this.
 
Third is an extension cable, about 6 feet long. Notice the all silver end? I tried this version for giggles. It works pretty good actually with Mogami W2534 and provides a good mechanical connection. It did put some scores in the para-cord. I may get a burr up somewhere and replace it with the "standard" version, dunno. The hardest part of these connectors is that infernal brass crimp ring for which I have no crimper. So I do the best I can with pliers but I wind up having to file them down to get them to fit, works out in the end.
 
Last are my modular connectors. 4 pin XLR balanced, 1/4" TRS, 2.5mm TRRS (I hope I can find a right angle version I like one day.), and last 3.5mm TRS right angle.
 
I have plans for a 3.5mm TRS straight using a ViaBlue that is on it's way.
 
Anywho, enjoy the cable porn (for what it is) and I hope to see you in Nashville!
 

 

 

 
 

 
I've done some searching and looking at the PDF to the Hirose instructions and photos I sill can't quite grasp how these go together. Dan told us somewhere what pins to use and gave numbers, but I see none on the connector unless they're stamped on the backside? I have a DIY cable from a forum member but when I tested these at RMAF with the Audio Precision team we discovered it's wired out of phase. I don't want to make the same mistake.
 
I want to make myself another cable but I was hoping to get more clarification on how these go together without me tearing apart my current cable. If anyone has a new one of these connectors and can take some pics of the exploded parts layed out that would be a big help to me!
 
 
I just need 2 of these right?
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIROSE-HR10A-7P-4P-COMPATIBLE-CONNECTOR-NEW/321089774722?rt=nc&_soffid=5&_soffType=PromotionalShipping&_trksid=p5731.m3795&rmvSB=true
 
 
 
Thanks everyone.
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 7:19 PM Post #6,048 of 10,590
The pin numbers are on the back/inside of the connector. They are extremely small, I doubt any picture I take will show you this. You can disassemble the cables without damaging them. Pull back the rubber boot to expose the .05" set screw, unscrew this enough that the brass crimp ring inside will turn in the connector freely (it may come all the way out, just be careful that little sucker is really small), connect the cable to the ear-cup so that the internal parts will rotate in relation to the outer shell, turn the part of the connector where you loosened the set screw in a counter clockwise direction. Once free, you can pull the internal part off of the ear-cup with minimal force. Reverse to reassemble.
 
Part numbers are like this:
HR10 is the type of connector. Hirose something or other.
A (or lack of an A) is how it grips the cable, A is a set screw and a brass crimp ring. No A is a sort of ferrule. This version is usually more expensive and I find harder to deal with even without a crimp tool for that brass crimp ring. The ferrule has what behave like teeth and they snag on the cable sleeving making tightening the assembly a pain in the rear. The brass crimp ring is a pain to get attached, but once you get it on the cable and file it down so that it passes through the outer shell, it's much easier to deal with. I take a pair of pliers and begin folding the ends making it as round as I can, then I take a small file and smooth off any sharp edges on the teeth and any high points until it fits into the shell freely and spins. Takes about 15 minutes the first time and gets easier as you do more.
7 no idea :)
J or P is Jack or Plug.
4 is number of poles or wires it carries, they make these things up to 12 or 24 pins.
S or P is Sockets (female) or Pins (male) on the internal part.
(73) sometimes you see this as part of the part number, sometimes you don't, no idea what it means.
 
Below is what you would want if you are going to make a modular cable system like I did. I recommend using Dan's connector (HR10A-7P-4P(73)) on the adapters and the other one on the end of the headphone cable because it's cheap to order them from Dan, the other one is a pain to find without paying through the nose. There is some seller on eBay from France that usually has them (watch me jinx myself) and he's got the best price I've found. In fact, I think I'll go order a pair now.
 
What you have in the eBay link is what Dan uses to connect to the ear-cups. Be sure to check Dan's site he sells these cheap. Also, that's the guy I've ordered mine from in the past, good seller.
 
Dan's part on DigiKey.
HR10A-7P-4P(73)
set screw, plug, 4 poles, pins (male)
 

 
 
It's counterpart, HR10A-7J-4S(73)
set screw, jack, 4 poles, sockets (female)
 

 
 
 

 
Nov 3, 2016 at 7:28 PM Post #6,049 of 10,590
  The pin numbers are on the back/inside of the connector.....
They are extremely small, I doubt any picture I take will show you this. You can disassemble the cables without damaging them. Pull back the rubber boot to expose the .05" set screw, unscrew this enough that the brass crimp ring inside will turn in the connector freely (it may come all the way out, just be careful that little sucker is really small), connect the cable to the ear-cup so that the internal parts will rotate in relation to the outer shell, turn the part of the connector where you loosened the set screw in a counter clockwise direction. Once free, you can pull the internal part off of the ear-cup with minimal force. Reverse to reassemble.
 
Part numbers are like this:
HR10 is the type of connector. Hirose something or other.
A (or lack of an A) is how it grips the cable, A is a set screw and a brass crimp ring. No A is a sort of ferrule. This version is usually more expensive and I find harder to deal with even without a crimp tool for that brass crimp ring. The ferrule has what behave like teeth and they snag on the cable sleeving making tightening the assembly a pain in the rear. The brass crimp ring is a pain to get attached, but once you get it on the cable and file it down so that it passes through the outer shell, it's much easier to deal with. I take a pair of pliers and begin folding the ends making it as round as I can, then I take a small file and smooth off any sharp edges on the teeth and any high points until it fits into the shell freely and spins. Takes about 15 minutes the first time and gets easier as you do more.
7 no idea :)
J or P is Jack or Plug.
4 is number of poles or wires it carries, they make these things up to 12 or 24 pins.
S or P is Sockets (female) or Pins (male) on the internal part.
(73) sometimes you see this as part of the part number, sometimes you don't, no idea what it means.
 
Below is what you would want if you are going to make a modular cable system like I did. I recommend using Dan's connector (HR10A-7P-4P(73)) on the adapters and the other one on the end of the headphone cable because it's cheap to order them from Dan, the other one is a pain to find without paying through the nose. There is some seller on eBay from France that usually has them (watch me jinx myself) and he's got the best price I've found. In fact, I think I'll go order a pair now.
 
What you have in the eBay link is what Dan uses to connect to the ear-cups. Be sure to check Dan's site he sells these cheap. Also, that's the guy I've ordered mine from in the past, good seller.
 
Dan's part on DigiKey.
HR10A-7P-4P(73)
set screw, plug, 4 poles, pins (male)
 

 
It's counterpart, HR10A-7J-4S(73)
set screw, jack, 4 poles, sockets (female)
 
 
 

 
Ok that helps a bit. I think I know what to expect, do you off hand remember what pins + - they are for the Ether? I can search for Dan's comment but if you know it might be easier to find out from you ;)
 
Thanks for the assist!
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 7:30 PM Post #6,050 of 10,590
   
Ok that helps a bit. I think I know what to expect, do you off hand remember what pins + - they are for the Ether? I can search for Dan's comment but if you know it might be easier to find out from you ;)
 
Thanks for the assist!


I'm looking for them, stand by, here's this also.
 
Order of assembly:
Strip the tips of the wires about 1/8", 2 or 3 mm and tin.
Feed the wire through the rubber boot, narrow end first.
Disassemble the connector and feed the outer shell over the wire, narrow end first.
Clamp the internal section with the electrical connectors with helping hands or the like.
Get some magnifying device.
Using the pinouts from Dan's site, solder the wires. Make sure your soldering iron tip is clean and tinned. Apply a small amount of flux to the solder cup and a small amount of solder to the soldering iron tip. Hold the wire in place with helping hands, touch the soldering iron to the wire and solder cup, feed more solder as needed.
Rinse, repeat.
Crimp the brass ring to the cable.
Slide the outer housing over the brass crimp ring, thread onto the inner section.
Tighten the set screw.
Slide the boot onto the end of the connector.
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 7:41 PM Post #6,052 of 10,590
Found my notebook. If you don't have one, get one, keep it handy with drawings of this stuff, trust me, it helps.
And if you wire it wrong, de-solder it do it again. Doesn't make you a bad person. :)
 
Pinouts:
 
With the notch on the connector on top from the back the order is:
4 1
3 2
 
Mad Dog and also if you want to make a modular cable, looking at the connector from the solder cup end:
Pin 1 = L+
Pin 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
 
Right connector:

Pin 1 = R+
Pin 2 = R-
Pins 3 and 4 are not used.
 
Left connector:
Pin 1 = L+
Pin 2 = L-
Pins 3 and 4 are not used.
 
2.5mm TRRS (what A&K uses):
Tip = R-
Ring 1 = R+
Ring 2 = L+
Sleeve = L-
 
TRS (3.5mm or 6.whaevermm, er 1/8" or 1/4"):
Tip = L
Ring = R
Sleeve = Ground
 
Female XLR:
Pin 1 = L+
Pint 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the back (I think!):
4       1
  3  2
 
Male XLR:
Pin 1 = L+
Pint 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the back (I know):
4       1
  3  2
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the front:
1       4
  2  3
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 9:11 PM Post #6,053 of 10,590
  Found my notebook. If you don't have one, get one, keep it handy with drawings of this stuff, trust me, it helps.
And if you wire it wrong, de-solder it do it again. Doesn't make you a bad person. :)
 
Pinouts:
 
With the notch on the connector on top from the back the order is:
4 1
3 2
 
Mad Dog and also if you want to make a modular cable, looking at the connector from the solder cup end:
Pin 1 = L+
Pin 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
 
Right connector:
 
Pin 1 = R+
Pin 2 = R-
Pins 3 and 4 are not used.
 
Left connector:
Pin 1 = L+
Pin 2 = L-
Pins 3 and 4 are not used.
 
2.5mm TRRS (what A&K uses):
Tip = R-
Ring 1 = R+
Ring 2 = L+
Sleeve = L-
 
TRS (3.5mm or 6.whaevermm, er 1/8" or 1/4"):
Tip = L
Ring = R
Sleeve = Ground
 
Female XLR:
Pin 1 = L+
Pint 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the back (I think!):
4       1
  3  2
 
Male XLR:
Pin 1 = L+
Pint 2 = L-
Pin 3 = R+
Pin 4 = R-
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the back (I know):
4       1
  3  2
With the pins oriented on the bottom from the front:
1       4
  2  3

Excellent info. I will mention that the numbers on the Hirose connectors do not line up with the four pins quite as well as the ones sold on the MrSpeakers site. For those of you DIY'ers who do not have a solder pot I ordered a few today from Digikey and I will see how well they work tomorrow. Some are as low as $26 each. I have also been experimenting with desktop air filtration for said solder pots. A small fan can help but I like to do things right and protect people who are exposed to fumes for several hours each day but that is overkill if you only build a cable once in a while. Solder pots are great for working with litz wire and general tinning but probably not for everyone.
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 10:53 PM Post #6,054 of 10,590
All this cable talk has me catching the bug to make something again. I'd like some fancy power cables. I have some 15 foot long 30 amp server rack power cables laying around. I think they are 10/3 SJOOW cables, about 1/2" around, should be a good starting point. I've been hunting for cool and not too expensive IEC and NEMA 5-15P plugs. I've only see a few pics of power cables on the thread. I know @buke9 has some killer power cables feeding his Yggi, I don't know if he made them though. What's everyone doing for power cables?
 
Any input on a power conditioning power strip? I'm going between a Furman and Emotiva. Leaning Emotiva because they are within a day trip in Nashville and it's lower in profile than the Furman. That thing is a lot bigger than the pictures make it out to be.
 
Nov 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM Post #6,055 of 10,590
Power cord cables ? :D . I don't do power conditioner as it only color up the sound over-all. I want the pure sound quality. So I make the best power cables, and replace the chassis male connector to make sure I got the best signals and voltage integrity

 
Nov 4, 2016 at 5:08 PM Post #6,057 of 10,590
  Hey, have a more general question - what makes cables flexible and what makes them stiff? 

 
From my experience most of the stiffness comes from the sheathing/insulation around the cable and what it's made of. Some are harder Teflon plastics, some are more rubberized. Thickness of the cable of course comes into play, as does the stranding of the wire inside or if it's solid-core single conductor. I had 0AWG power cable for a car stereo (about 1 inch diameter) and it had so many strands you'd be amazed at how flexible it was.
 
Nov 4, 2016 at 5:29 PM Post #6,058 of 10,590
From my experience most of the stiffness comes from the sheathing/insulation around the cable and what it's made of. Some are harder Teflon plastics, some are more rubberized. Thickness of the cable of course comes into play, as does the stranding of the wire inside or if it's solid-core single conductor. I had 0AWG power cable for a car stereo (about 1 inch diameter) and it had so many strands you'd be amazed at how flexible it was.


I am with this, and it will depend on what you want, you will need to choose accordingly.
 
Nov 4, 2016 at 11:53 PM Post #6,059 of 10,590
The Toxic Silver Poison wire came earlier this week, and tonight I finished her up. It's lovely stuff. Very easy to work with.

Compared to OCC copper, this is certainly brighter, with better treble definition, bringing out the LCD-2's details more. My tastes run towards a warmer signature, so this sounded funny to me ears at first. But it's growing on me. :cool:



 
Nov 5, 2016 at 2:18 AM Post #6,060 of 10,590
The Toxic Silver Poison wire came earlier this week, and tonight I finished her up. It's lovely stuff. Very easy to work with.

Compared to OCC copper, this is certainly brighter, with better treble definition, bringing out the LCD-2's details more. My tastes run towards a warmer signature, so this sounded funny to me ears at first. But it's growing on me. :cool:





Nice works ! I see that you are progressing rapidly with materials quality. At least you are not losing out much :D
 

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