[XM3orZ7m2]

Finally, a true successor to HD650. It took 19 years.

And there is a good reason too, the engineers who made the hd650 and 660 have long left sennheiser and all the audio innovation that sennheiser has left are tuning adjustments. 20 years later this is not a new generation, its the same can but different tuning. Sennheiser doesnt have the same reputation as before, so please read a few critical reviews first cause this product may just be leveraging the legendary 660 name that it had before.

Fair play if you wish your 660 reference cans were bassier, but to call this the next generation after 20 years, when so many people have died waiting for it is a bit distasteful, imo. My first love in headphones was a sennheiser, have waited a decade for an actual new product in a certain price range, but my patience is gone. Please invest more in R&D again and become that exciting company that you once were 30 years ago

 

[Rob80b]

Some dude who thought the SR80e was much superior to the GS2000e and was obviously so perplexed by the Ora GrapheneQ neutrally, spaciousness and clarity that he had no choice but to trash them.

There was another reviewer (DMS?) who reviewed the Ollo S4X and spent most of the time talking about how their target goal was ill defined, and then claimed the HD560s was a better headphone. What can one do? We all hear differently, right?

But I’ve lurched off course. Back to the regular programming.

Yep…more young whipper snappers than you can point a stick at these days.
…and then there’s Reddit….

Although must say DMS has grown on me... : )

 

[ericpalonen]

may just be leveraging the legendary 660 name that it had before.

We absolutely are. That's why it's called the HD 660S2. It's the evolution of it. We're not launching a departure product like HD 800, HE 1, etc (which have all launched within the tortuous three decades you referenced)

the next generation after 20 years, when so many people have died waiting for it is a bit distasteful, imo

Thoughts and prayers for those people

have waited a decade for an actual new product in a certain price range, but my patience is gone

Thanks for your feedback. We'll welcome you back whenever you want to try us again.

 

[Rob80b]

Yep…more young whipper snappers than you can point a stick at these days.
…and then there’s Reddit….

Although must say DMS has grown on me... : )

Now if we could get Sabine Hossenfelder interested in headphones. : )

https://www.youtube.com/@SabineHossenfelder

 

[Beagle]

Yep…more young whipper snappers than you can point a stick at these days.
…and then there’s Reddit….

Although must say DMS has grown on me... : )

He’s pretty fair.

Now if we could get Sabine Hossenfelder interested in headphones. : )

https://www.youtube.com/@SabineHossenfelder

Wow yes. Wouldn’t that stir up a hornet’s nest!

 

[Starfall119]

Finally, a true successor to HD650. It took 19 years.

Yeah hopefully. We'll find out soon though

 

[Starfall119]

Ngl half regretting selling my old 660s now just cause these seem harder to drive, the old 660s sounded great from my phone or digital piano, etc… I guess there’s the 560s and 58x but I don’t think they’re as good

They have a higher ohm rating but they have a higher sensitivity so it should be alright. They'll just take to tubes differently I suppose

 

[headstef]

and one more nail in that one. : )
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sen...r-for-the-hd650.862308/page-325#post-15227806

Our hearing is much more sensitive in the midrange so this range determines our chosen listening level each time. This comparative graph and all the others above should have been "normalized" in the midrange (usual standard: 1000 Hz). In other words, the frequency curve of each headphone should have been moved up or down to coincide with the other curves in the midrange. Then the true differences in the bass and treble are revealed. Not doing so is a clever way to hide the facts from inexperienced eyes. In the above graphs the bass is higher from the mids for the HD-650 and less so for the HD-660S. This shows that the HD-660S bass should sound weaker than the bass of the HD-650 by 3-4 dB. I think slightly weaker is in fact a common report in users' comparisons of the two.

 

[AnalogEuphoria]

<-- click me

As much as anyone would give a kidney for that it’s no exactly an affordable new flagship is it though.

 

[AnalogEuphoria]

We absolutely are. That's why it's called the HD 660S2. It's the evolution of it. We're not launching a departure product like HD 800, HE 1, etc (which have all launched within the tortuous three decades you referenced)

Thoughts and prayers for those people

Thanks for your feedback. We'll welcome you back whenever you want to try us again.

Axel Grell said Sennheiser shut down the audiophile research and development department is that still true?

 

[Mike F]

I just wonder how much ground there is to break. I mean, listen to an HD800s and ask yourself “What am I missing, what am I not hearing?” Hell, ask yourself that with even some $500 headphones.

I often think that over the last ten years or so, there have been huge price increases for merely moving the sonic goalposts. Get distortion and square wave measurements near perfect and then we’ll talk.

I do agree with you, and had that thought myself soon after posting!

 

[ericpalonen]

Axel Grell said Sennheiser shut down the audiophile research and development department is that still true?

Research and development used to run on different rails. They simply smushed em together. This was covered in a thread a few months back.

 

[AnalogEuphoria]

Research and development used to run on different rails. They simply smushed em together. This was covered in a thread a few months back.

Ok thanks for the clarification, only recently heard it on a seminar video.

 

[ericpalonen]

As much as anyone would give a kidney for that it’s no exactly an affordable new flagship is it though.

He didn't criticize that, he said:

"...I feel that they really haven’t brought anything new and ground breaking to the market since the HD800"

I mean if the HE 1 doesn't check both of those boxes with a hammer, what does around these parts?!?

 

[AnalogEuphoria]

He didn't criticize that, he said:

"...I feel that they really haven’t brought anything new and ground breaking to the market since the HD800"

I mean if the HE 1 doesn't check both of those boxes with a hammer, what does around these parts?!?

HE1 problem is that because of it’s price it exists and doesn’t exist at the same time, when people make these statements about new and groundbreaking since HD800 they mean a HD850/HD900 that they can actually save up for and purchase.

The new Orpheus was obviously a very special follow up to the original and shows what can be done when you don’t have a ceiling but that’s all it is to many of us.

My honest an opinion is that there’s two gaps that need filing in the audiophile lineup, HD700 successor and HD800 successor that isn’t silly money.