Darkvoice 336i & 336SE Tuberolling PartII
Dec 5, 2022 at 8:45 PM Post #13,787 of 14,518
This L63 substitution for 6SN7 is new and interesting to me, but L63 seems to be expensive and hard to find ....
its worth it though. even the newer straight bottle GEC L63. it became one of my endgame driver tubes for the DV.
 
Dec 6, 2022 at 4:12 PM Post #13,788 of 14,518
A GEC 6as7g with GEC L63 also opens the heavens for angels to whisper in your ear.

A valve combination worthy of a final game.

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That roll was one of my favorites in the BHC. Was also my first 6j5 listen. Lots of great choices in that family.
 
Dec 17, 2022 at 10:52 PM Post #13,789 of 14,518
Tung Sol 7N7 & Tung Sol 6520 (Carbon Dimpled Plates) :L3000:

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Dec 18, 2022 at 1:40 PM Post #13,791 of 14,518
how much were those
I got these way below the current asking prices. It's insane out there in the market right now. The story behind this tube is I had sold it to Florida and they seemingly blew it up on their amp, I the gentleman took it back and lost monies on a nice tube. tested it and it was dead, that was a year ago. So I pull out my Chatham 5998 and roll it and it's been in there for about a month or two. Last night, listening to my old Holiday playlist, I take a good look at my amp, because the sound is incredible. And to my surprise, I had accidently grabbed the 6520, and it's been working this whole time in my amp.... 0. 0
 
Dec 18, 2022 at 3:13 PM Post #13,792 of 14,518
I got these way below the current asking prices. It's insane out there in the market right now. The story behind this tube is I had sold it to Florida and they seemingly blew it up on their amp, I the gentleman took it back and lost monies on a nice tube. tested it and it was dead, that was a year ago. So I pull out my Chatham 5998 and roll it and it's been in there for about a month or two. Last night, listening to my old Holiday playlist, I take a good look at my amp, because the sound is incredible. And to my surprise, I had accidently grabbed the 6520, and it's been working this whole time in my amp.... 0. 0
Lol. So you had the George Bailey of tubes. A glimpse of it burning out dead, and now celebrating life! It's a wonderful life sound! X-Mas. Miracle. 🎅:sparkler:
 
Dec 18, 2022 at 3:30 PM Post #13,793 of 14,518
Lol. So you had the George Bailey of tubes. A glimpse of it burning out dead, and now celebrating life! It's a wonderful life sound! X-Mas. Miracle. 🎅:sparkler:
LOL.. the tube whisperer .. :D I'm sure it's this tube, the bottom has the burned glass at the bottom. I almost threw it out last year. If it goes out again after the Holidays...I will totally freak.
 
Dec 18, 2022 at 7:26 PM Post #13,795 of 14,518
LOL.. the tube whisperer .. :D I'm sure it's this tube, the bottom has the burned glass at the bottom. I almost threw it out last year. If it goes out again after the Holidays...I will totally freak.
Maybe it's still dead and you're getting all the amplification from the 7N7. Frankie's are wondrous tubes. 🤣 🤣
 
Dec 18, 2022 at 9:46 PM Post #13,796 of 14,518
This L63 substitution for 6SN7 is new and interesting to me, but L63 seems to be expensive and hard to find ....
I think the problem is that you’re not trying hard enough. 😊
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Dec 23, 2022 at 7:10 PM Post #13,799 of 14,518
Okay, going to try to explain how you go about center-tapping and elevating the heaters of the stock DarkVoice.

Please read in full before making any changes, be sure to understand what you are doing before you do it. If you are unsure if what you have done is correct, take a photo and PM me or post in the thread and tag me. Carry out these modifications at your own risk, there is ~200VDC inside the amplifier, working with high voltages carries a shock and safety hazard.

Heater Center Tap


What you will need:
  • 2x 100ohm 1/2 resistors (type does not matter, metal film would be fine).
  • 1x 2K 1/4W resistor
  • 1x length of 20AWG wire (solid or stranded does not matter)

1) Find the two points on the main PCB where the heater wiring is soldered, here.

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2) Solder one end of a 100ohm 1/2W resistor to each heater winding pad. Twist together the opposite ends and solder them together, like the illustration below. This is the center tap point!

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3) Break the ground connection between the 6SN7 heater and the ground bus below. This wire can simply be cut or desoldered and discarded.

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If you are elevating the heaters, skip to step 6. If you are not, go to step 4.

4) Now connect a piece of wire from the new center tap point to the ground bus. This is the long, thin length of bare wire that runs throughout the chassis.

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5) Because the power LED is run from the heater supply and we have just halved the voltage it sees, we must adjust the series resistance before the power LED. On the power LED PCB, there are two 2K resistors, one on top and one on the bottom. Add the additional 2K resistor in parallel with the top 2K resistor. This means the leads of the new resistor will be soldered to the same pads as the existing 2K resistor.

If you are not elevating the heaters, you are done, the hum should be improved but might not be completely eradicated.

Elevated Heater Supply

You should have just finished step 3 and created the virtual center tap and broken the heater ground connection at the 6SN7 socket. To elevate the heater supply, we must make a voltage divider from the B+ supply to reduce its voltage to our desired elevation voltage. Anything from 30V-60V will work fine. This elevated voltage will be applied to the center tap point.

Additional items you will need:

6) Find the below power supply capacitor, the second to last in the supply (note this can be done with either capacitor in this position, they are all in parallel). This is the point at which you will connect the voltage divider. The B+ at this point should be roughly 150V, although I would not be surprised if it varied between amplifiers given the quality of the transformer, the end result will be the same.

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7) To the newly created center tap point (the junction of the two 100ohm resistors), solder one end of the 220K resistor, one end of the 100K resistor, the positive end of the 10uF electrolytic capacitor, and one end of a 20AWG length of wire.

8) Solder the other end of the 100K resistor and the negative end of the electrolytic capacitor to the ground bus, shown in step 4.

9) The other end of the 220K resistor must be connected to the positive end of the power supply capacitor shown in step 6. If the leads are long enough to reach from the center tap point to the positive terminal, it can be done this way. Otherwise, connect the other end using an additional length of 20 AWG wire.

10) Disconnect the power LED PCB from the ground bus, shown below. The wire can simply be removed from the PCB and the excess clipped.

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11) The power LED PCB ground must now be brought to the center tap point so the power LED does not see the elevated supply DC offset. Connect the length of wire connected to the heater center tap to the power LED ground PCB pad.

The wiring should look like below, another crude illustration.

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12) Lastly, as in step 5, the series resistance before the power LED must be reduced so the LED will light up. On the power LED PCB, there are two 2K resistors, one on top and one on the bottom. Add the additional 2K resistor in parallel with the top 2K resistor. This means the leads of the new resistor will be soldered to the same pads as the existing 2K resistor.

That's it, you should now have ~45VDC heater elevation, the hum present on any noisy tubes should now be gone.
I made this mod. Just wanted to stop by to say thank you :)
 

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