Darkvoice 336i & 336SE Tuberolling PartII
Dec 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Post #2,716 of 14,511
I wasn't expecting any substantial difference going from the Fiio E10(not E10K) to the modi 3 since the modi isn't a high-end DAC but I'm surprised how much more clear it is. I also need to lower the Darkvoice knob about half from where it usually was because it's noticeably louder. I wonder if it wasn't powering my HD600s enough and the quality was suffering because of it. Not to say that it used to sound bad, I just think it's better. It could just be a placebo but at the very least I'm happy with my purchase. :)

edit: I keep thinking about it and the DAC doesn't really "power" the cans (from what I understand that's the amp's work) so not sure why I need about half the volume now.


Yes, your DAC won’t power up your cans directly. The difference in loudness you perceived was caused by the different output voltage levels from your DAC’s.

My guess is that the output voltage level from your modi 3 DAC to your DV amp is much higher than that from your FIIO DAC.

Some amps have a high/mid/low switch to select the input voltage level from DAC’s. My BHC amp doesn’t have the switch, not sure if DV has it or not, but my Dynaudio monitors do have the switch.

If your amp doesn’t have the selection switch, simply adjust your amp’s volume knob to an appropriate level, it is as simple as that, not a problem at all.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 11:57 AM Post #2,717 of 14,511
Take a look at tube sellers in Hong Kong. I bought 5 used 6F8G Tung Sol RPs for $70, I'm still using the same one after many years. Also good sellers in Taiwan, surely the post must be quicker from these two nearby places?

That’s a super deal, must be years years ago. Good for you.:)

I would doubt we could find a single tube for the price you paid for 5 anytime soon.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 8:04 PM Post #2,718 of 14,511
Yes, your DAC won’t power up your cans directly. The difference in loudness you perceived was caused by the different output voltage levels from your DAC’s.

My guess is that the output voltage level from your modi 3 DAC to your DV amp is much higher than that from your FIIO DAC.

Some amps have a high/mid/low switch to select the input voltage level from DAC’s. My BHC amp doesn’t have the switch, not sure if DV has it or not, but my Dynaudio monitors do have the switch.

If your amp doesn’t have the selection switch, simply adjust your amp’s volume knob to an appropriate level, it is as simple as that, not a problem at all.

Thanks for the feedback. Didn't particularly think it was a problem but I wasn't knowledgeable about output voltage levels. That's good to know.

I'm going from stock DV tubes to TS 6SN7GTB and RCA 6080. Hoping that's a good combo otherwise I'm open to (cheap) recommendations. Would like something detailed with not too much emphasis on the bass. :)
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 8:30 PM Post #2,719 of 14,511
Thanks for the feedback. Didn't particularly think it was a problem but I wasn't knowledgeable about output voltage levels. That's good to know.

I'm going from stock DV tubes to TS 6SN7GTB and RCA 6080. Hoping that's a good combo otherwise I'm open to (cheap) recommendations. Would like something detailed with not too much emphasis on the bass. :)
A cheap combo I use is the JJ 6sn7 ($15. 95 tubedepot.com ) and the Sylvania 6as7ga ($10 + 7.50 shipping ebay ). Good balanced sound.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 8:31 PM Post #2,720 of 14,511
I am trying some of that combination in an amp I just designed but they are about $170 total, I am not so sure if that is cheap.

1963 Melz 1578 and an RCA 6AS7G JAN tube 103D0C07-A3CB-4795-911D-62469CC4FCA8.jpeg
 
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Dec 19, 2019 at 8:49 PM Post #2,722 of 14,511
Not sure if you are referring to me but I just bought that combination a couple of weeks ago at those prices.

I was not referring to you, it just happens to be what I am listening to right now. I own maybe 40 different 6sn7 types and probably 10 types of 6080s, but this is the one I am liking at the moment.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 11:53 PM Post #2,723 of 14,511
I am trying some of that combination in an amp I just designed but they are about $170 total, I am not so sure if that is cheap.

1963 Melz 1578 and an RCA 6Sn7G JAN tube
Well, it's been awhile since I've filled the cabinet with a new set. .this one is very interesting.
 
Dec 20, 2019 at 12:05 AM Post #2,724 of 14,511
I am trying some of that combination in an amp I just designed but they are about $170 total, I am not so sure if that is cheap.

1963 Melz 1578 and an RCA 6Sn7G JAN tube


Do you mean rca 6as7g? I would recommend that as an affordable and good power tube.
 
Dec 20, 2019 at 5:39 AM Post #2,726 of 14,511
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Dec 20, 2019 at 12:26 PM Post #2,730 of 14,511
How many of those four are the ones you’re describing?
They're all the same tube, you only need one for the Darkvoice. If you could find the Sylvania tall tube 7N7 they're just as good, to my ears anyway. I ve been toying with the idea of grabbing a new set of high ohm headphones that would match well with the Darkone, something different from the Sennheiser sound, what you guys think of the Beyerdynamic sound? They have so many headphones kinda lost on the 800, 900, T1... Lot to choose from.
 

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