West Coast EVE20 Kit received from @Tybot
Won’t give much listening time if any until tomorrow, looking forward to hearing it!
Won’t give much listening time if any until tomorrow, looking forward to hearing it!
CLOSED to NEW - See AudioTiers in my Signature: US Head-Fi Tour: VISION EARS ELYSIUM vs. VE8 vs. ERLKöNIG TOTL CIEM Tour - Starting November 2019
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
I received the east coast tour kit from @Blueshound24 . The Elysium right has a missing filter. There was only one set of white tips included. Everything seems to be in working order.
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The missing screen was noted earlier. Shouldn't affect the sound.
Sorry forgot to post on here that I did receive the VE Elysium/VE8 west coast kit last Wednesday, and am ready to ship it to the next person on the list. I will be contacting them via PM today! 
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
I was unable to locate a review thread for the VE8. I know I was pretty rough on the Elysium but I must say I enjoyed the VE8 a whole lot more even if I do think it is overpriced. Here is my full review.
Vision Ears VE8 - Review
A BIG thank you to head-fi and Vision ears for inviting me to join the gear tour. This is an opportunity to review gear that I wouldn’t have been able to obtain financially or hear at local shops. So it is an honor to hear another high profile IEM. Here is my attempt at a review:
This will be a short and to the point review. To be brutally honest and blunt; I am disappointed with the VE8 BUT not as much as I am with the Elysium.
I was disappointed that the tour kit only came with a metal carry case, the VE8 and a cable. I was hoping to get to experience the awesome packaging. I was also a little annoyed that no tips were included. I am a firm believer that manufacturers pick tips specifically that they believe make the product sound the way they intended when they designed it; sadly without the manufacture tips there is no way of knowing the intended sound signature. Getting back to the metal carry case, it is very well made, feels great in the hand and it will offer much more protection than the Elysium’s leather case. The metal case does say quality when looking and holding it. The cable on the other hand is a laughing stock. I am not sure if the cable that is provided is the stock cable or not but if it is Vision Ears should be ashamed. The cable that I was provided is identical to the horrid cable that came with my Massdrop Noble X Universal cable and it absolutely does not deserve to be on a headphone of $2,700 price tag. I hope that this was sent in error but I am unable to confirm that.
The VE8 design and look were also a disappointment. To me they look cheap for a $2,700 IEM. I get the same quality feel of materials from my ADV M5-1D which retails for $400. The Meze Rai Solo $250 absolutely destroys the VE8 on material quality and feels way more premium. Too me the VE8 feels like a moderately priced chifi IEM, a major disappointment. The design is a universal fit and is fairly comfortable. Thankfully It isn’t like the flat, stone design of the Elysium that allowed tips to slip out of ears very easily. The nozzle and bore make it easy for tips to stay in place; I didn’t lose any tips inside my ear canal during my review time, unlike the Elysium. In my opinion, the design and materials of the VE8 just don’t cut it for an IEM of this price point BUT it is 100x better then the more expensive Elysium.
Okay so the design, material and fit are lackluster, how is the sound. Surely the sound should impress considering the price point. First let's take a look at the technology and specs of the Vision Ears VE8, see link below for more information from VE.
https://vision-ears.de/produkt/ve-8
Um yeah, the sound also sorta disappointed me BUT not like the Elysium. To me it just screams overpriced.
Here are my quick thoughts on the sound.
Bass: The VE8 is punchy and fun along with being full of details. The extension of the VE8 is good with plenty of presence and detail retrieval. I was alway content with the bass quantity and quality of the VE8. Everyone once in a while the bass would get a little confused on busier tracks. I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: The Elysium is bass light, has decent extension with adequate presence and detail retrieval. I was always searching for a bit more impact and more body, the Elysium just lacked bass authority. Bass can get a little confused on busier tracks but that is not as prominent as thought on first impressions.
Mids: The VE8 mids are lush and romantic. Vocals have nice tonality and sound natural. Instruments have a crispness to them and a natural presentation. The mids are balanced and cohesive. The only complaint that I have is that the upper mids can be a little bit more assertive on some tracks and can bring along some harshness on random moments but those are few and far between. Again I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: The Elysium mids have nice vocal presence and are the highlight of the mix. The tones that they portray are engaging and pleasant for the most part. The upper mids are at times too far forward and can sound somewhat hot. But for the most part the tonality and timbre of the mids are pleasing. Very much so the best part of the sound.
Treble: VE8 treble is mostly smooth and well extended. On some tracks, like the mids, the treble can be a little bit more assertive and can display some harshness at random moments but those are few and far between. The treble of the VE8 has nice air and presence. Details are presented effortlessly and are very pleasing. Again I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: Elysium has a weird treble for me. The lower treble can be hot and too far forward. Details are presented in a somewhat aggressive way at times. The higher treble lacks air and can sound muffled. There is some harshness that appears randomly but not as prominent as I thought on first impressions.
Soundstage and Imaging: The soundstage of the VE8 is deep and wide and has fantastic separation and isolation of instruments. It is very easy to interpret the layout of the stage with the VE8. I really enjoyed watching movies with the VE8; it was a very engaging and immersive experience.
Comparison: Soundstage is average width but excels in depth and layering. The Elysium does a good job in separating and isolating out instruments and vocals. It is easy to dissect a soundstage with the Elysium.
Overall the VE8 is a pleasant sounding IEM that I enjoyed way more than the Elysium; I still believe they are overpriced. I don’t see any benefit in getting the VE8 when I can get a ADV M5-1D for $400 or Meze Rai Solo for $250. I just don’t get a sense of value with the Vision Ears VE8, to me they sound like a higher mid-level IEM at a high-level price tag. If the VE8 was priced at $1,000 I would be more accepting of them.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GGuDuDbNQxvzYVhYA
Gear:
iFi Audio Pro iDSD
Monoprice Monolith THX AAA 788
Pioneer XDP-30r
Sony Walkman NW-A105
Shanling M2x
Shanling Q1
Sources:
Tidal
Deezer
Foobar (local dsd and flac)
Songs:
https://tidal.com/browse/track/128215119 Sinne Eeg “We’ve Just Begun” - multiple layer soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77568002 Molly Johnson “What a Little Moonlight Can Do” - female vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/120190149 Leslie Odom Jr. “Under Pressure” - male vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/230625 Eric Clapton “Change the World” - soundstage layering and placement
https://tidal.com/browse/track/18016422 Yo Yo Ma “Ecstasy of Gold” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/103401770 Adam Baldych “Spem in Alium” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/31759874 Tingvall Trio “Beat” - piano tonality
https://tidal.com/browse/track/52532480 Pain of Salvation “Stress” - percussion balance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/98069001 Michael Buble “When I Fall in Love” - orchestral dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/41094997 Patricia Barber “Code Cool” - sibilance check
Christian Scott “New New Orleans” - shouty upper mids
https://tidal.com/browse/track/116415078 Tool “Chocolate Chip Trip” - imaging
https://tidal.com/browse/track/1855831 Hans Zimmer “Why So Serious” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/89386285 Marcus Miller “No Limit” - bass control
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77646106 Dave Holland Quartet “Conference Of The Birds”- bass check
https://tidal.com/browse/track/132139860 Ilhan Eshkeri “47 Ronin”- orchestra and bass dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/79530261 Hans Zimmer “2049” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/36764745 Queen “Somebody to Love” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/114330493 Tool “Ticks & Leeches” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/63345703 Galactic “Doomed” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/3468730 Bela Fleck & The Flecktones “Flight Of The Cosmic Hippo” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/118552925 Motley Crue “Dr. Feelgood” harshness and shouty
https://tidal.com/browse/track/55391456 Pink Floyd “Young Lust” - mid bass and soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/72947822 Shawn Mendes “There’s Nothing Holdin’ Me Back” - forwardness
https://tidal.com/browse/track/85963727 Alexander Desplat “Ïsle Of Dogs: Toshiro” - dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/107749134 Marina “No More Suckers”- sibilance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/75202408 Tauren Wells “Known” - male vocals and micro dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/86330323 Kacey Musgraves “Wonder Woman” - female vocals
https://tidal.com/browse/track/84340438 Dennis Lloyd “Nevermind (Wankelmut Remix)” - soundstage
Playlists:
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/3e4a5ae5-cde5-40fa-bbaa-4e432fe79e3e
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0ba4d6a8-9d95-4f16-b79e-ef084a091d73
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/c5bc66bd-a907-4a0e-a976-9f02e75c126f
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0e3aa4a1-ba36-44fe-aabb-d8976dc8a908
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/9e6568e7-8bdd-4ddd-964c-f5453d8761e8
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585500966&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585501023&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585502653&utm_medium=web
Vision Ears VE8 - Review
A BIG thank you to head-fi and Vision ears for inviting me to join the gear tour. This is an opportunity to review gear that I wouldn’t have been able to obtain financially or hear at local shops. So it is an honor to hear another high profile IEM. Here is my attempt at a review:
This will be a short and to the point review. To be brutally honest and blunt; I am disappointed with the VE8 BUT not as much as I am with the Elysium.
I was disappointed that the tour kit only came with a metal carry case, the VE8 and a cable. I was hoping to get to experience the awesome packaging. I was also a little annoyed that no tips were included. I am a firm believer that manufacturers pick tips specifically that they believe make the product sound the way they intended when they designed it; sadly without the manufacture tips there is no way of knowing the intended sound signature. Getting back to the metal carry case, it is very well made, feels great in the hand and it will offer much more protection than the Elysium’s leather case. The metal case does say quality when looking and holding it. The cable on the other hand is a laughing stock. I am not sure if the cable that is provided is the stock cable or not but if it is Vision Ears should be ashamed. The cable that I was provided is identical to the horrid cable that came with my Massdrop Noble X Universal cable and it absolutely does not deserve to be on a headphone of $2,700 price tag. I hope that this was sent in error but I am unable to confirm that.
The VE8 design and look were also a disappointment. To me they look cheap for a $2,700 IEM. I get the same quality feel of materials from my ADV M5-1D which retails for $400. The Meze Rai Solo $250 absolutely destroys the VE8 on material quality and feels way more premium. Too me the VE8 feels like a moderately priced chifi IEM, a major disappointment. The design is a universal fit and is fairly comfortable. Thankfully It isn’t like the flat, stone design of the Elysium that allowed tips to slip out of ears very easily. The nozzle and bore make it easy for tips to stay in place; I didn’t lose any tips inside my ear canal during my review time, unlike the Elysium. In my opinion, the design and materials of the VE8 just don’t cut it for an IEM of this price point BUT it is 100x better then the more expensive Elysium.
Okay so the design, material and fit are lackluster, how is the sound. Surely the sound should impress considering the price point. First let's take a look at the technology and specs of the Vision Ears VE8, see link below for more information from VE.
https://vision-ears.de/produkt/ve-8
- Tech: Three-way-system with eight BA drivers
- Drivers: 2 BAs for bass – 2 BAs for mids – 4 BAs for highs
- Sensitivity: 120dB SPL at 1 mW
- Impedance: 22 Ohms at 1 kHz
Um yeah, the sound also sorta disappointed me BUT not like the Elysium. To me it just screams overpriced.
Here are my quick thoughts on the sound.
Bass: The VE8 is punchy and fun along with being full of details. The extension of the VE8 is good with plenty of presence and detail retrieval. I was alway content with the bass quantity and quality of the VE8. Everyone once in a while the bass would get a little confused on busier tracks. I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: The Elysium is bass light, has decent extension with adequate presence and detail retrieval. I was always searching for a bit more impact and more body, the Elysium just lacked bass authority. Bass can get a little confused on busier tracks but that is not as prominent as thought on first impressions.
Mids: The VE8 mids are lush and romantic. Vocals have nice tonality and sound natural. Instruments have a crispness to them and a natural presentation. The mids are balanced and cohesive. The only complaint that I have is that the upper mids can be a little bit more assertive on some tracks and can bring along some harshness on random moments but those are few and far between. Again I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: The Elysium mids have nice vocal presence and are the highlight of the mix. The tones that they portray are engaging and pleasant for the most part. The upper mids are at times too far forward and can sound somewhat hot. But for the most part the tonality and timbre of the mids are pleasing. Very much so the best part of the sound.
Treble: VE8 treble is mostly smooth and well extended. On some tracks, like the mids, the treble can be a little bit more assertive and can display some harshness at random moments but those are few and far between. The treble of the VE8 has nice air and presence. Details are presented effortlessly and are very pleasing. Again I completely changed my mind from first impressions the more I listened to the VE8.
Comparison: Elysium has a weird treble for me. The lower treble can be hot and too far forward. Details are presented in a somewhat aggressive way at times. The higher treble lacks air and can sound muffled. There is some harshness that appears randomly but not as prominent as I thought on first impressions.
Soundstage and Imaging: The soundstage of the VE8 is deep and wide and has fantastic separation and isolation of instruments. It is very easy to interpret the layout of the stage with the VE8. I really enjoyed watching movies with the VE8; it was a very engaging and immersive experience.
Comparison: Soundstage is average width but excels in depth and layering. The Elysium does a good job in separating and isolating out instruments and vocals. It is easy to dissect a soundstage with the Elysium.
Overall the VE8 is a pleasant sounding IEM that I enjoyed way more than the Elysium; I still believe they are overpriced. I don’t see any benefit in getting the VE8 when I can get a ADV M5-1D for $400 or Meze Rai Solo for $250. I just don’t get a sense of value with the Vision Ears VE8, to me they sound like a higher mid-level IEM at a high-level price tag. If the VE8 was priced at $1,000 I would be more accepting of them.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GGuDuDbNQxvzYVhYA
Gear:
iFi Audio Pro iDSD
Monoprice Monolith THX AAA 788
Pioneer XDP-30r
Sony Walkman NW-A105
Shanling M2x
Shanling Q1
Sources:
Tidal
Deezer
Foobar (local dsd and flac)
Songs:
https://tidal.com/browse/track/128215119 Sinne Eeg “We’ve Just Begun” - multiple layer soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77568002 Molly Johnson “What a Little Moonlight Can Do” - female vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/120190149 Leslie Odom Jr. “Under Pressure” - male vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/230625 Eric Clapton “Change the World” - soundstage layering and placement
https://tidal.com/browse/track/18016422 Yo Yo Ma “Ecstasy of Gold” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/103401770 Adam Baldych “Spem in Alium” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/31759874 Tingvall Trio “Beat” - piano tonality
https://tidal.com/browse/track/52532480 Pain of Salvation “Stress” - percussion balance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/98069001 Michael Buble “When I Fall in Love” - orchestral dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/41094997 Patricia Barber “Code Cool” - sibilance check
Christian Scott “New New Orleans” - shouty upper mids
https://tidal.com/browse/track/116415078 Tool “Chocolate Chip Trip” - imaging
https://tidal.com/browse/track/1855831 Hans Zimmer “Why So Serious” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/89386285 Marcus Miller “No Limit” - bass control
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77646106 Dave Holland Quartet “Conference Of The Birds”- bass check
https://tidal.com/browse/track/132139860 Ilhan Eshkeri “47 Ronin”- orchestra and bass dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/79530261 Hans Zimmer “2049” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/36764745 Queen “Somebody to Love” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/114330493 Tool “Ticks & Leeches” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/63345703 Galactic “Doomed” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/3468730 Bela Fleck & The Flecktones “Flight Of The Cosmic Hippo” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/118552925 Motley Crue “Dr. Feelgood” harshness and shouty
https://tidal.com/browse/track/55391456 Pink Floyd “Young Lust” - mid bass and soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/72947822 Shawn Mendes “There’s Nothing Holdin’ Me Back” - forwardness
https://tidal.com/browse/track/85963727 Alexander Desplat “Ïsle Of Dogs: Toshiro” - dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/107749134 Marina “No More Suckers”- sibilance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/75202408 Tauren Wells “Known” - male vocals and micro dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/86330323 Kacey Musgraves “Wonder Woman” - female vocals
https://tidal.com/browse/track/84340438 Dennis Lloyd “Nevermind (Wankelmut Remix)” - soundstage
Playlists:
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/3e4a5ae5-cde5-40fa-bbaa-4e432fe79e3e
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0ba4d6a8-9d95-4f16-b79e-ef084a091d73
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/c5bc66bd-a907-4a0e-a976-9f02e75c126f
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0e3aa4a1-ba36-44fe-aabb-d8976dc8a908
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/9e6568e7-8bdd-4ddd-964c-f5453d8761e8
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585500966&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585501023&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585502653&utm_medium=web
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I think you’re kind of missing the point of a loaner tour when you give an overview of the packaging and tip selection. Also, would you be able to reveal what sources you were using for the comparison and what exposure you have had to other totl offerings?
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
I have been on the Empire Ear Valkyrie and Wraith tour and both of those IEM had a very nice package including tips provided. Anyway, here is a list of the gear used and some of my playlists.
Gear:
iFi Audio Pro iDSD
Monoprice Monolith THX AAA 788
Pioneer XDP-30r
Sony Walkman NW-A105
Shanling M2x
Shanling Q1
Sources:
Tidal
Deezer
Foobar (local dsd and flac)
Songs:
https://tidal.com/browse/track/128215119 Sinne Eeg “We’ve Just Begun” - multiple layer soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77568002 Molly Johnson “What a Little Moonlight Can Do” - female vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/120190149 Leslie Odom Jr. “Under Pressure” - male vocal tone
https://tidal.com/browse/track/230625 Eric Clapton “Change the World” - soundstage layering and placement
https://tidal.com/browse/track/18016422 Yo Yo Ma “Ecstasy of Gold” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/103401770 Adam Baldych “Spem in Alium” - acoustic instrument timbre
https://tidal.com/browse/track/31759874 Tingvall Trio “Beat” - piano tonality
https://tidal.com/browse/track/52532480 Pain of Salvation “Stress” - percussion balance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/98069001 Michael Buble “When I Fall in Love” - orchestral dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/41094997 Patricia Barber “Code Cool” - sibilance check
Christian Scott “New New Orleans” - shouty upper mids
https://tidal.com/browse/track/116415078 Tool “Chocolate Chip Trip” - imaging
https://tidal.com/browse/track/1855831 Hans Zimmer “Why So Serious” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/89386285 Marcus Miller “No Limit” - bass control
https://tidal.com/browse/track/77646106 Dave Holland Quartet “Conference Of The Birds”- bass check
https://tidal.com/browse/track/132139860 Ilhan Eshkeri “47 Ronin”- orchestra and bass dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/79530261 Hans Zimmer “2049” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/36764745 Queen “Somebody to Love” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/114330493 Tool “Ticks & Leeches” - dynamics, sharpness and transients
https://tidal.com/browse/track/63345703 Galactic “Doomed” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/3468730 Bela Fleck & The Flecktones “Flight Of The Cosmic Hippo” - sub bass extension
https://tidal.com/browse/track/118552925 Motley Crue “Dr. Feelgood” harshness and shouty
https://tidal.com/browse/track/55391456 Pink Floyd “Young Lust” - mid bass and soundstage
https://tidal.com/browse/track/72947822 Shawn Mendes “There’s Nothing Holdin’ Me Back” - forwardness
https://tidal.com/browse/track/85963727 Alexander Desplat “Ïsle Of Dogs: Toshiro” - dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/107749134 Marina “No More Suckers”- sibilance
https://tidal.com/browse/track/75202408 Tauren Wells “Known” - male vocals and micro dynamics
https://tidal.com/browse/track/86330323 Kacey Musgraves “Wonder Woman” - female vocals
https://tidal.com/browse/track/84340438 Dennis Lloyd “Nevermind (Wankelmut Remix)” - soundstage
Playlists:
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/3e4a5ae5-cde5-40fa-bbaa-4e432fe79e3e
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0ba4d6a8-9d95-4f16-b79e-ef084a091d73
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/c5bc66bd-a907-4a0e-a976-9f02e75c126f
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0e3aa4a1-ba36-44fe-aabb-d8976dc8a908
https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/9e6568e7-8bdd-4ddd-964c-f5453d8761e8
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585500966&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585501023&utm_medium=web
https://www.deezer.com/playlist/744...utm_term=3243482124_1585502653&utm_medium=web
Vision Ears
Sponsor: Vision Ears
Hello!
First of all, thanks for taking your time to check out our earphones. Let me explain why we sent out the "tour kit" like this and also why we chose the stock cables for the VE8:
We are a German based company/manufacturer, so we have to export these earphone with a minimum value, otherwise the importer has to pay too much import taxes. You can maybe imagine that the US customs won't believe that we are sending two earphones with our premium packing out to the US by DHL Express for a value of only 30 USD per earphone - nobody would believe that, right
And furthermore, our premium packing is as big as a shoe box each. It is needless to say that the people who joined the tour wouldn't be happy to pay the shipping costs but maybe I am wrong in this assumption. Anyway, we got requested from the tour organizer to send out only the earphones with a case and ear tips. We sent out the earphones exactly like this, so I don't know why you didn't get any ear tips with your kit. Sorry.
If you want to see how we send out the ELYSIUM UIEM - check this review for example:
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/vision-ears-elysium.23939/reviews#item-review-24069
You were talking about the VE8 cable... We are not ashamed about our decision to take this cable as stock cable, actually we are proud about the decision! We tried a lot of cable manufacturers but our manufacturer supplies best quality, we have almost zero complaints about issues with these cables. We are the market leader for CIEM's here in Germany, Switzerland and Austria - our main customers here are professional and very well known artists. Musicians use these earphones as a kind of "on stage tool", they are very rough in handling! Sure, cables brake sometimes, but these stock cables are very durable and the sound is also great for that value!
Again, we are proud of our decision to offer good value cables instead of premium high technology cables which costs you and us too much to put it in a package. We let our customers decide if they want to add a premium cable or not, but we do not put a premium cable in the retail box and let customers pay for something they maybe don't need (most of our customers already have a great cable set up at home).
And sound wise... well, I am happy to hear that you can enjoy your 400 USD earphones in the same way as our VE8 or ELYSIUM. Saving money is always good.
FYI: all our earphones are designed, developed and manufactured in Cologne, Germany and Germany is one of the highest rated taxes worldwide (3rd rang).
And again, thank you and all tour members for your time and your honest review. Each review helps us to improve!
toaster
Headphoneus Supremus
vision ears' responses never disappoint.
informative and polite!
informative and polite!
VE response is too humble.
While I have not owned a VE IEM (yet), I have touched and tried some of their products in retail stores I.e. the Erlkonig, VE8, Elysium and EVE20; and they are all really great products imo. While some of their flagship iems are indeed not cheap, I don’t agree completely with what was said above about the performance of their VE8/Elysium products and I feel VE does not deserved such extremely low quality review of their products.
And I just wished it was true and I will be so freaking happy if I can get same performance from just $400 or $250 iems as what’s quoted or implied.
While I have not owned a VE IEM (yet), I have touched and tried some of their products in retail stores I.e. the Erlkonig, VE8, Elysium and EVE20; and they are all really great products imo. While some of their flagship iems are indeed not cheap, I don’t agree completely with what was said above about the performance of their VE8/Elysium products and I feel VE does not deserved such extremely low quality review of their products.
And I just wished it was true and I will be so freaking happy if I can get same performance from just $400 or $250 iems as what’s quoted or implied.
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Thank you. Would have been interesting to hear comparisons with the Valkyrie, wraith or any other totl offerings you own.
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
@Tristy: " Would have been interesting to hear comparisons with the Valkyrie, wraith or any other totl offerings you own."
The VE8 in comparison to the M5-1D and Rai Solo has better technical ability so it retrieves details and resolves better but not 6x the price better. Tonality and timbre are slightly better on the VE8 but not 6x the price better. The overall difference is minimal but as I said in my reviews they have good sound just overpriced, mostly for the build quality.
The same can be said about the Elysium BUT my biggest knock on them is the design and the fit, they just didn't stay in my ears. I absolutely hate when an IEM slips the tip off into my ear canal and that happened way too many times with the Elysium. The Elysium sounds good at times but just has too many flaws for me to recommend it.
I would take the EE Valkyrie over the Elysium and VE8. Wraith would be my choice over the Elysium if I had 3k to spend. I find that the EE are better built and have more musicality and technical abilities therefore giving me a better value for the price.
I look forward to hearing the EVE and giving it a review.
@DavidS11: "While I have not owned a VE IEM (yet), I have touched and tried some of their products in retail stores I.e. the Erlkonig, VE8, Elysium and EVE20; and they are all really great products imo. While some of their flagship iems are indeed not cheap, I don’t agree completely with what was said above about the performance of their VE8/Elysium products and I feel VE does not deserved such extremely low quality review of their products."
I didn't give the VE a undeserved, extremely low quality review; I gave them an honest review. The VE8 and Elysium did disappoint me but I clearly mention that the sound of both the Elysium and VE8 is very pleasing with a few flaws. In my opinion the build quality is just lackluster on both in comparison to other options available. I didn't know that I was to give a glowing review because it was Vision Ears or that they cost what they do. Honesty is the best policy! I do not give a glowing review of something that I didn't enjoy or appreciate the value of.
The VE8 in comparison to the M5-1D and Rai Solo has better technical ability so it retrieves details and resolves better but not 6x the price better. Tonality and timbre are slightly better on the VE8 but not 6x the price better. The overall difference is minimal but as I said in my reviews they have good sound just overpriced, mostly for the build quality.
The same can be said about the Elysium BUT my biggest knock on them is the design and the fit, they just didn't stay in my ears. I absolutely hate when an IEM slips the tip off into my ear canal and that happened way too many times with the Elysium. The Elysium sounds good at times but just has too many flaws for me to recommend it.
I would take the EE Valkyrie over the Elysium and VE8. Wraith would be my choice over the Elysium if I had 3k to spend. I find that the EE are better built and have more musicality and technical abilities therefore giving me a better value for the price.
I look forward to hearing the EVE and giving it a review.
@DavidS11: "While I have not owned a VE IEM (yet), I have touched and tried some of their products in retail stores I.e. the Erlkonig, VE8, Elysium and EVE20; and they are all really great products imo. While some of their flagship iems are indeed not cheap, I don’t agree completely with what was said above about the performance of their VE8/Elysium products and I feel VE does not deserved such extremely low quality review of their products."
I didn't give the VE a undeserved, extremely low quality review; I gave them an honest review. The VE8 and Elysium did disappoint me but I clearly mention that the sound of both the Elysium and VE8 is very pleasing with a few flaws. In my opinion the build quality is just lackluster on both in comparison to other options available. I didn't know that I was to give a glowing review because it was Vision Ears or that they cost what they do. Honesty is the best policy! I do not give a glowing review of something that I didn't enjoy or appreciate the value of.
toaster
Headphoneus Supremus
The luxury market doesn’t provide a guarantee that price increases incrementally with incremental increases in quality.
In reality, price nearly always increases exponentially with incremental increases in quality.
An opinion is fine, and whether or not something is worth 6x more is also just an opinion.
it doesn’t matter if something is justifiably “worth 10x more” or justifiably “sounds 10x better.”
I bought the erlky because it’s the best iem I’ve ever heard.
In reality, price nearly always increases exponentially with incremental increases in quality.
An opinion is fine, and whether or not something is worth 6x more is also just an opinion.
it doesn’t matter if something is justifiably “worth 10x more” or justifiably “sounds 10x better.”
I bought the erlky because it’s the best iem I’ve ever heard.
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
I totally understand the reason to buy something no matter the price if you think it is the best you've heard and your willing and able to pay the price. As long as you and your ears are happy with the purchase is all that matters in the end.
dbsylvia
100+ Head-Fier
I forgot to include pics in my reviews, here are some quick shots of what they looked like at time of unboxing. Please note the black cable on the VE8, I have seen a lot of other reviews that do not have this cable.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GGuDuDbNQxvzYVhYA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GGuDuDbNQxvzYVhYA
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