[griff500]

You are right. I should just leave y'all to circlejerk one another

Delightful.

Off you go then.

 

[nwavesailor]

That is why I have him on 'ignore'. Life is to short to have miserable people try to make me miserable.

 

[Lgn3]

That is why I have him on 'ignore'. Life is to short to have miserable people try to make me miserable.

Good idea.

 

[audio_1]

Hope you got a good discount on that Dave. It's not exactly new having released in 2015. Almost all TOTL dacs from that time have had at least one interim upgrade.

What difference does it make that it was released in 2015. The Dave and the m-scaler were the best dac available then, and with a few tweaks they still are now.

 

[audio_1]

And yet after all that time at still one of the best out there at that price.

What did you pay for yours?

At any price imho!

 

[adrianm]

I think you need a better transport than your PC, to be complete honest. TT2 is not garbage but your PC is.

After being persuaded by this thread to get a streamer for Dave, it's now picking up dust and i went back to my pc for Hqplayer. It's only garbage if you have no idea what you're doing and think clean power is a myth

 

[Birdboy01]

Looking at Antipodes K50 and Grimm Audio's Mu1. Both are exceptional streamers with very, very distinct signatures. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has compared these two with DAVE and their experience with a single BNC cable?

 

[TheAttorney]

Looking at Antipodes K50 and Grimm Audio's Mu1. Both are exceptional streamers with very, very distinct signatures. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has compared these two with DAVE and their experience with a single BNC cable?

I own an MU1 > DAVE, which easily beat a Statement (with original power supply). I haven't tried the K50, but the only mini-review I've seen had them broadly equal, with the MU1 being more transparent and the K50 being a bit warmer.

SQ-wise, the MU1 does not have a distinct signature - it's very transparent. But in form and function it is indeed very different to the K50.
Go for the MU1 if you want a relatively small, light and simple system that only runs Roon. One and done.
Go for the K50 if you want more flexibility and non-Roon options, and like the idea of a bigger, heavier and much more expensive component. Greater tinkering possibilities.

The MU1 doesn't have a BNC output. It's either AES or spdif/RCA. It upsamples only up to 4FS. Choose one great AES cable (see the MU1 thread on AS) and say goodbye to all previous faffing around with BNC and USB cables.

 

[Triode User]

I own an MU1 > DAVE, which easily beat a Statement (with original power supply). I haven't tried the K50, but the only mini-review I've seen had them broadly equal, with the MU1 being more transparent and the K50 being a bit warmer.

SQ-wise, the MU1 does not have a distinct signature - it's very transparent. But in form and function it is indeed very different to the K50.
Go for the MU1 if you want a relatively small, light and simple system that only runs Roon. One and done.
Go for the K50 if you want more flexibility and non-Roon options, and like the idea of a bigger, heavier and much more expensive component. Greater tinkering possibilities.

The MU1 doesn't have a BNC output. It's either AES or spdif/RCA. It upsamples only up to 4FS. Choose one great AES cable (see the MU1 thread on AS) and say goodbye to all previous faffing around with BNC and USB cables.

I have considered the MU1 but I am concerned that it is Roon only.

One can accept that the MU1 is a good implementation of Roon but the question is whether Roon on the MU1 is as good SQ as the K50 playing Squeeze/Squeezelite. I have never heard Roon being totally transparent compared to Squeeze + Squeezelite.

There is only one way to find out and one day I will load up my K50 and take it to see Jack at the Audio Barn, stockists of the MU1 and also the Extreme. (I have promised Jack that I will take my ARC6 Dave so he can hear that.)

 

[Birdboy01]

I own an MU1 > DAVE, which easily beat a Statement (with original power supply). I haven't tried the K50, but the only mini-review I've seen had them broadly equal, with the MU1 being more transparent and the K50 being a bit warmer.

SQ-wise, the MU1 does not have a distinct signature - it's very transparent. But in form and function it is indeed very different to the K50.
Go for the MU1 if you want a relatively small, light and simple system that only runs Roon. One and done.
Go for the K50 if you want more flexibility and non-Roon options, and like the idea of a bigger, heavier and much more expensive component. Greater tinkering possibilities.

The MU1 doesn't have a BNC output. It's either AES or spdif/RCA. It upsamples only up to 4FS. Choose one great AES cable (see the MU1 thread on AS) and say goodbye to all previous faffing around with BNC and USB cables.

Thanks for that, Attorney. Indeed, its a spaghetti farm in the back of the cabinet with the MK-III, Phoenixnet and reclocker, so the MU1 sounds attractive, although sole reliance on Roon - the company not the product -is the only nagging concern. Getting OT for this forum, but how are you finding Mu1's menu wheel? From what I understand, there's no remote. Are you able to access most of the selections without having to get up and turn that wheel?

 

[adrianm]

I own an MU1 > DAVE, which easily beat a Statement (with original power supply). I haven't tried the K50, but the only mini-review I've seen had them broadly equal, with the MU1 being more transparent and the K50 being a bit warmer.

SQ-wise, the MU1 does not have a distinct signature - it's very transparent. But in form and function it is indeed very different to the K50.
Go for the MU1 if you want a relatively small, light and simple system that only runs Roon. One and done.
Go for the K50 if you want more flexibility and non-Roon options, and like the idea of a bigger, heavier and much more expensive component. Greater tinkering possibilities.

The MU1 doesn't have a BNC output. It's either AES or spdif/RCA. It upsamples only up to 4FS. Choose one great AES cable (see the MU1 thread on AS) and say goodbye to all previous faffing around with BNC and USB cables.

Looks like up sampling streamers are the latest fad. The new Lumin U2 mini seems similar, and also has USB :
https://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u2-mini.html

 

[Sampajanna]

The MU1 may not be a great match if one uses Mscaler either. I am wondering about the new Statement with Sean’s ARC6-based PSU… Antipodes has a new flagship coming in August as well!

 

[Somatic]

I know it’s hard but if one wanted to quantify the difference in percentage of the TT2 vs Dave …. Would TT2 be 80% as good?

 

[801evan]

I know it’s hard but if one wanted to quantify the difference in percentage of the TT2 vs Dave …. Would TT2 be 80% as good?

Depends on the listening acuity of the person. Some people can't tell the difference of a cable while I can tell difference between different rca plugs, 2.1mm plugs. The fundamental processing power of the Dave vs tt2 and how it sounds is very close compared to the performance difference of their psu. Tt2 is less sensitive to mains quality than the Dave so tt2 may be ahead albeit some congestion while the Dave has good extension too and bottom but susceptible to extra energy on upper mids and up. Both tt2 and Dave can be tweaked within or around it where one can exceed the other.

Deciding between the two is less important vs the optimization needed on the rest of the chain. If one can spend the extra $$ on the Dave, they will still be rewarded.

 

[nwavesailor]

To me, the stock Dave from a stock TT2 was not even close. I will admit I was a little put off initially with the added detail, clarity and less warmth coming from the TT2, but now recognize that I am a bit more analytical that I first thought and am looking for detail that I KNOW is there!