May 21, 2016 at 6:51 AM Post #3,061 of 27,019
  Ok, a few points.
 
Break-in - about 10 minutes.
 
Well yes that was to get your attention, and my honest answer is I do not know for sure, except that brain break-in is by far the biggest factor. In October I did an update to the code, getting ready for final production. This update had a SQ change, and it was not small.
 
I did the change on a unit that had at least 10,000 hours on it, so it was well and truly broken in. But the SQ change from the code took several months for the feeling that SQ was improving to stop, so brain break-in (getting used to the sound and I suspect the brain learning new ways to process the SQ) is very real - at least to me.
 
I actually have a brand new unit coming next week, so I can test for how much is down to hardware changes.
 
FPGA - yes its soldered in - and I have to do this. FPGA sockets creates too much inductance, and so decoupling becomes a major issue. At best using sockets it will just sound and measure badly, at worse it will simply not function. But Moore's law is definitely running out of steam. The 7 series FPGA's were "launched" in Sep 2011, and the devices were only really available last year. The ultrascale parts are not suitable for audio, so there are no better FPGA's on the horizon. But lets say Xilinx have a wonder FPGA available tomorrow in quantity, then I can't just drop what I am doing and re-design Dave. It is not a simple process of dropping a new chip in - a replacement to Dave (assuming new display too) would be a one man year of work for me, and with all the other projects happening, this will be many years away.
 
Code updates - my background in chip design forces you to make hardware that is right first time, which means lots and lots of testing before tape-out. And I treat FPGA design as hardware, not software. But you are limited by two things - knowledge and the FPGA. With the vast resources available in Dave's FPGA, its knowledge that is the limiter. I suspect I will learn a lot from the Davina project, so if this relates to a SQ improvement for a DAC I will put it in Dave. I will only do a code update if we are talking about a significant and worthwhile change in SQ.
 
Chord's Korean distributor asked for a simple block diagram for Dave so here goes:
 

 
And the different code for DSD+ :
 

 
Rob

 

The best way to evaluate the change made by burn in (break-in) is to compare one DAVE that have been used for several hundreds of hours to one that is totally new. By comparing two units side by side we can remove things like brain burn in and audio memory. And now to my point. Who has access to both a well burned in DAVE as a new one (hint hint)? 

 
May 21, 2016 at 7:06 AM Post #3,062 of 27,019
To the layperson this implies a measure of obsolescence in the Dave feature set as it will no longer be used as a Dac. So will the amplifier act as an enhancement to the Dave process or merely an alternative?

If you look at the block diagram for PCM+ mode you can see that 160 DSP cores are used before the DX digital output, which is the vast majority of the FPGA's capability. So the obsolescence is pretty minimal.

I wonder if there's an error in the block diagrams Rob has provided. They imply that the DX digital output is at fixed level, implying that volume control is in the power amplifier, not DAVE.

If that's true, then that gets a bit complicated when DAVE is connected to two monoblock digital amplifiers, as they both have to have matched volume control.
 
May 21, 2016 at 7:21 AM Post #3,063 of 27,019
The block diagram is correct, but simplified. The DX transmits 705 or 768 kHz 24 bits at full level in order to maximize signal performance, I transmit within the user data the volume control setting, so the DX power amp will do the volume control at the optimum point.
 
The user data also has a code to state that it is a DX connection - not that any other 768 kHz coaxial sources are available.
 
Rob  
 
May 21, 2016 at 7:32 AM Post #3,064 of 27,019
there are some YouTube videos of dave playing. as said by Rob what is instantly noticeable is the timing and starting/ stopping of notes. this is evident even in the video. it sounds as if recorded live.


Good news indeed .
Absolutely no need to pay the very very  high price of a real Dave! All one needs to do is  to watch a You Tube video with a Dave playing!
 
May 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM Post #3,065 of 27,019
I would like to share open the box Chord Dave in Black Color

Thank you Chord Indonesia Distributor Jonathan Marten fpr your help for this Chord Dave in Black

It is my Best Dac Amp now

Source :
AK 240 SS

Dac / Amp :
Chord Dave Black

Headphone :
LCD X with SAA Endorphin and Adapter 4 Pin to 6,3 mm

Music :
Allan Taylor

File :
DSD

Cable :
Chord Optical Cable

My LCD X sound better than before





















 
May 21, 2016 at 2:30 PM Post #3,066 of 27,019
@Christer, believe me in India the possibility of auditioning Dave is very remote even in capital Delhi. I live about 200 km from Delhi but still it is very unlikely that chord distributer will ever offer it for audition. if someone enquires about the price , they demand about half of the payment in advance because of dave's high price. so only option I have to listen to dave on YouTube video.
 
May 21, 2016 at 2:57 PM Post #3,067 of 27,019
Rudi,
 
Congratulations and thanks for sharing the pictures!  
 
Perhaps nothing is worse, or nothing is better, than hearing the descriptions of what DAVE does to the music!  
 
Anyone know of a location where DAVE is demoed in Portland Maine or even Boston?  Man, I'd love to listen!  
 
May 21, 2016 at 4:02 PM Post #3,068 of 27,019
@Christer, believe me in India the possibility of auditioning Dave is very remote even in capital Delhi. I live about 200 km from Delhi but still it is very unlikely that chord distributer will ever offer it for audition. if someone enquires about the price , they demand about half of the payment in advance because of dave's high price. so only option I have to listen to dave on YouTube video.


Atcha!
But if I remember correctly there are  at least some audio shops in the  Connaught area  of Delhi aren't there?
 
Although it is most likely about as good as digital gets judging from my auditioning it in Singapore, personally I am currently back home in Sweden  wallowing  in the superb sound of well recorded classical western and some Indian music   from my pretty big analogue LPs collection via electrostatic speakers and a powerful amp. Mainly pure joy and in some respects  better and closer to the real sound of live acoustic instruments  performing in a real space  than both my Hugo and Benchmark HGC DAC 2.
But I would really like to  hear Dave  via speakers.
Unfortunately  my car just broke down so buying a Dave is currently not a main priority.
And frankly good as it is, it is still very  overpriced imho.
 
May 21, 2016 at 4:26 PM Post #3,069 of 27,019

 
 
I got my DAVE last month.  I am enjoying it since.  Still burning in and working around some high-res files issues.  
When the package arrived, I was a bit surprised by the packaging, rather pedestrian and that plastic bag was rough and taped over in layers.  Perhaps Chord saves cost that way.  LOL
 
Enjoy your new DAVE.
 
Paul
 
May 21, 2016 at 7:35 PM Post #3,070 of 27,019
 And frankly good as it is, it is still very  overpriced imho.

 
IMHO, if no other DAC can outperform it at the same or 1/2 of its price, it's not overpriced. You get what you paid for with the DAVE imho.
 
May 21, 2016 at 11:29 PM Post #3,072 of 27,019
I got my DAVE last month.  I am enjoying it since.  Still burning in and working around some high-res files issues.  
When the package arrived, I was a bit surprised by the packaging, rather pedestrian and that plastic bag was rough and taped over in layers.  Perhaps Chord saves cost that way.  LOL

Enjoy your new DAVE.

Paul


Hi Paul

Thank you and i enjoy so much since yesterday night until this morning

For you too the same please enjoy your Dave

I am agree for so expensive Dac Amp Dave Packaging look so cheap
 
May 22, 2016 at 12:52 AM Post #3,074 of 27,019
@Christer, though there is a showroom of Profx (authorized representative of chord in India ) but I don't think they will have dave in Delhi for audition. Profx are based in Bangalore where they might have dave some time for audition. sadly Bangalore is in South India and it is far from my place. Dave may or may not be overpriced but yes it is expensive piece of gear and having a price equivalent to a decent mid price car in India. may be some day I would be able to have it but right now the priority is like you is a car for my better half.
 
May 22, 2016 at 1:49 AM Post #3,075 of 27,019
VERY GOOD NEWS
on playing DSD128 or DSD256 native files with the DAVE using at least Roon 
 
FIrst, a brief history since my DAVE arrived a couple weeks back.  Music played wonderfully for a new machine.  I started throwing hi-Def DSD files onto it using Audirvana Plus, JRiver Media Center and Roon on a Macbook Pro Mid 2014 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD.  The files would not play smoothly.  Plenty of pauses and dropouts.  So much so I began to wonder if my DAVE was defective.
 
Well, @romaz told me it was not and he was right.
 
Earlier tonight I got both Parallels Desktop 11 for MAC to run windows on a Macbook Pro.
 
Got Parallels Desktop from Amazon
 
http://goo.gl/ltg8zQ
 
Then another $125 for Windows 10 Home
 
http://goo.gl/Uv2hzS
 
 
Then Downloaded the Chord Dave Windows drivers on the bottom of this page:
http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=98
 
 
DSD now plays beautifully on the Macbook Pro running DSD files up to DSD256 natively!!!
 

 
 

 
 
 

 
Paul
 

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