CHORD ELECTRONICS DAVE
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:14 PM Post #23,791 of 25,863


So, after watching Sandhu's interview with Rob, it's very clear that given Rob is making a new reference DAC, the DAVE is obviously not the best he can do; there are definitely improvements and new things he has learnt over the past 8+ in DAC design, new digital features and architectural improvements he's made and that he can definitely do a better job with the power supply and regulation, RF filtering, improve noise performance (because Qutest and TT2 have better noise performance than DAVE), and bring UHD DSP into the mix and update the FPGA from that old Spartan 6 to an Artix UltraScale+.

I expect a trickle down from the Reference DAC into a "DAVE 2".

It is clear that objectively (APx555) Hugo TT2 is currently Rob's best DAC

And even has way better headamp (again, objectively)

Not good for IEMs though - there are much better amp options
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/chord-hugo-tt2-review-dac-hp-amp.36745/
 
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Feb 18, 2023 at 7:23 PM Post #23,792 of 25,863
dave as DAC is head and shoulders better than TT2
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:24 PM Post #23,793 of 25,863
TT2 sounded like a glorified topping the last time I heard it.
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:31 PM Post #23,794 of 25,863
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:32 PM Post #23,795 of 25,863
TT2 sounded like a glorified topping the last time I heard it.

That's actually the dumbest thing I've read on these forums for a while.
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:36 PM Post #23,796 of 25,863
Feb 18, 2023 at 7:37 PM Post #23,797 of 25,863
It is clear that objectively (APx555) Hugo TT2 is currently Rob's best DAC

And even has way better headamp (again, objectively)

Not good for IEMs though - there are much better amp options
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/chord-hugo-tt2-review-dac-hp-amp.36745/

To be fair, DAVE has the best transient resolution, and you can tell by the HiFiNews lab report, measuring distortion alone: "was able to resolve a vanishingly low 0.000007% THD at 1kHz and 0.00008% at 20kHz"

It's just that its noise floor, even if it's just a steady hiss, is too high giving it a lower SINAD.

Also something was wrong with the DAVE unit ASR measured, the channel mismatch and highly variable Channel 2 (SINAD vs time) was an issue. There are also PSU issues.
 
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Feb 18, 2023 at 7:44 PM Post #23,798 of 25,863
Also something was wrong with the DAVE unit ASR measured, the channel mismatch and highly variable Channel 2 (SINAD vs time) was an issue. There are also PSU issues.
There are a surprising number of ASR reviews that seem to find different measurements for each channel. Obviously it’s not the equipment or method though. :thumbsup:
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 8:29 PM Post #23,799 of 25,863
I think every reviewer should have to review a product before given any measurements...a site like ASR which is an embarrassment looks at measurements and decides a products worth before even listening to it...I have seen too many of their reviews to take them seriously
 
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Feb 19, 2023 at 1:23 AM Post #23,800 of 25,863
Also something was wrong with the DAVE unit ASR measured, the channel mismatch and highly variable Channel 2 (SINAD vs time) was an issue. There are also PSU issues.
At this price, does everyone need to buy an APx555 to see if their unit meets the advertised spec?

I thought someone wrote in ASR's DAVE unit review fhat there was an issue with that unit too
 
Feb 19, 2023 at 5:28 AM Post #23,802 of 25,863
ASR's APx555 measurements are pretty close to Golden Sounds for Dave...

Does that make Golden Sounds measurements an embarrassment too ?
You need to read his post again… he didn’t say what your response infers.
 
Feb 19, 2023 at 5:53 AM Post #23,803 of 25,863
I think every reviewer should have to review a product being given any measurements...a site like ASR which is an embarrassment looks at measurements and decides a products worth before even listening to it...I have seen too many of their reviews to take them seriously
Honestly the debate would be put to rest if someone..., anyone..., was able to differentiate a $100 DAC vs $20,000 in a controlled test. I live for that day.
 
Feb 19, 2023 at 6:20 AM Post #23,804 of 25,863
Honestly the debate would be put to rest if someone..., anyone..., was able to differentiate a $100 DAC vs $20,000 in a controlled test. I live for that day.
Am not so sure that the debate would be put to rest if someone was able to differentiate a $100 DAC vs $20,000 in a controlled test. You can always rig a controlled test yourself - if you live for it :wink:.

The question is why is it so important for you to know if someone else can hear the difference between different DACs. If you hear no difference and there are no other ethical or quality aspects that differentiate them, then it must be better to buy the cheaper DAC.
 
Feb 19, 2023 at 6:42 AM Post #23,805 of 25,863
Honestly the debate would be put to rest if someone..., anyone..., was able to differentiate a $100 DAC vs $20,000 in a controlled test. I live for that day.

Nothing makes a difference if it's measured well. Measured data is static and can't be manipulated so it fits all use cases. It's all about transparency and we all have same taste. People actually should grab wireless beats and EQ to whatever they like, dummies
 

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