CHIFI LOVE Thread-A never ending IEM-Heaphones-DAP-Dongles Sound Value Quest
Jun 21, 2020 at 3:23 PM Post #24,841 of 31,833
Who else is thinkin' the FiiO FD1 might just be a top budget contender?? Or could they just be jumping on the Beryllium bandwagon. I would hope they took the Urbanfun and constructed it to beat it in SQ. At least I hope that is what FiiO as a brand name would do. Not that great to just make something but make it with purpose and against the competition.
 
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Jun 21, 2020 at 4:21 PM Post #24,842 of 31,833
Who else is thinkin' the FiiO FD1 might just be a top budget contender?? Or could they just be jumping on the Beryllium bandwagon. I would hope they took the Urbanfun and constructed it to beat it in SQ. At least I hope that is what FiiO as a brand name would do. Not that great to just make something but make it with purpose and against the competition.
I’ll let you know when I get mine, in hopefully two weeks. I missed out on an FH7 deal recently and it was the beryllium driver (vs the polymer driver in my FH5) that peaked my interest.
 
Jun 21, 2020 at 4:27 PM Post #24,843 of 31,833
I’ll let you know when I get mine, in hopefully two weeks. I missed out on an FH7 deal recently and it was the beryllium driver (vs the polymer driver in my FH5) that peaked my interest.

I saw 2 blue left on Amazon for $59.99 so I got one coming as well. Said two in stock but they don't have a delivery date yet so they may be expecting them for their fulfillment service but might not have them in just yet.
 
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Jun 21, 2020 at 4:39 PM Post #24,844 of 31,833
I think I'll buy this one or the BLON. But really not sure about which one will satisfy me more. I'm gonna do some search on the web and give the final decision. Thanks.

Edit: I've just bought the CVJ from AliExpress. Hope it'll reach me after a long journey :)
Hold up you said iPhone 8 but how are you plugging it? The apple USB type-C to 3.5mm adapter?
 
Jun 21, 2020 at 4:43 PM Post #24,845 of 31,833
Hello everyone, it's been a while here. Thanks to Covid-19 and Indo-China tensions, AliExpress doesn't ship to India anymore and thus halting my Chi-Fi spending spree. At least, my wallet is happy. Lol. Anyways, was looking to order from Penon or other such sites which ship from Singapore in the hopes that, it might be delivered without any hindrance. It would be helpful if the community can guide me here.

I prefer Harman-neutral signature and listen to variety of genres ranging from Indian classical to metal, pop, rock, hip-hop, fusion, and Bollywood.

As around ~$100 mark, was thinking of going for Moondrop Starfield. Signature is right down my alley and has great impressions as well. Any other options should I check?

Also, any reviews yet for T2 Plus? They look like P4 and Urbanfun lovechild. Does it have Tin house signature?

Thanks in advance. :)
 
Jun 21, 2020 at 5:38 PM Post #24,846 of 31,833
I haven't really posted any of my reviews here but I thought I would share a couple of them, to at least put something back into the thread that I get so much info from.

My first is of the Blon BL-03, which is certainly not a new IEM and has tons of reviews and impressions out there already, but here are my impressions anyway.

If anyone would prefer to read it in Spanish, all my reviews are posted in English and Spanish on my blog: https://achoreviews.blogspot.com

This review is also part of the first episode of Acho Reviews on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDgjgW4BKkT2PmNCGAqLs7Q

Anyway, enough blatant and shamless publicity, here is my take on the Blon BL-03...

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The Blon BL-03 are by no means a recent release, at least at the speed that Chinese IEMs are released. However, they seemed to get a lot of praise (maybe too much) so after not purchasing any IEMs since the ZS10 Pro (or was it the ZSN Pro?), I decided to give them a try and see what the hype was about.

I purchased them a couple of months ago but due to the Covid issues, they went around in circles for a while, with me even cancelling the order at least twice but they still showed up in the end, and to be honest I am glad they did so that I could form my own opinion.

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I purchased the version with a microphone as it was actually cheaper than the version without and after checking them out online, I had already come to the conclusion that I would be changing the cable anyway. The connectors used are 2 pin 0.78mm so I swapped it out for a balanced cable from NiceHCK.

The shell of these IEMs is made completely of metal, however, they are not heavy, weighing in at around 8g per side.

The finish seems to be well done and gives them an impression of costing more than they actually do (they cost 30€ here on Amazon).

Normally, I will only use foam tips on the majority of my IEMs barring a few exceptions. This is due to personal comfort and I am willing to sacrifice whatever I may lose due to the foam in exchange for the comfort. I actually found them quite comfortable with silicone tips although I did have to mess around to get the left side to seal properly but once I swapped over to foam tips, these issues disappeared.

I have read many people that find find the BL03 uncomfortable, due to the short insertion, in my case I must say that I do not have this problem. In fact, I find them to be very comfortable, probably one of the most comfortable IEMs I have tried to date.

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Their sound is slightly V shaped, well, it is actually sort of between a V and an L, which I guess is a signature that appeals to more people interested in IEMs at this price.

The bass is very present, although not excessive in my opinion, but it does have issues that I will mention in a moment.

The mids, although slightly recessed, in their higher part resolve pretty well.

As for treble, again, it is there but doesn't present too much sibilance, at least in the majority of songs.

To give a brief recap on what I found while listening to these, I will break it down into music
categories rather than specific songs, as I found that they remained very similar while playing songs of the same type.

EDM...

Let me start by saying that I am not much of an EDM listener, however, when I first tried the BL03 it inspired me to listen to some EDM.

The majority of songs were from a few years ago (2015-2018) and I couldn’t give you names as I just put a random list on Tidal and let it play.

With this genre, I found the Blon to defend themselves pretty well, with very present bass, without being excessive, and good clarity in the treble. I think that the sound signature of these IEMs works well for this type of music, although some songs that were more vocal centric did show up the recess in the mids.

Hip-Hop...

This is a genre that I listened to a lot until 5 or 6 years ago. I have a few albums that I like to use to test headphones and speakers, being “2001” by Dr.Dre and “All Eyez on Me” by Tupac.

The first album, 2001 by Dr.Dre, I started listening to without really noticing any issues but the longer I listened the more I started to feel that the bass and lower mids were colliding and creating a sensation of being congested and even dirty sounding. When not paying much attention they were acceptable but as soon as I focused on the music, the whole of the lower mids seemed to get more and more congested.

Moving on to the All Eyez on Me album by Tupac, I noticed the exact same issue as with the Dre album. Again, the lower mids seemed to suffer from a bleed from the bass, but on top of that, the whole lower mid range just sounded congested and lacking clarity.

Acoustic...

Moving on, I am a great lover of acoustic music, mainly while I work. I am referring to songs that are mainly based on spanish guitars, acoustic guitars, vocals (mainly female) etc.

Here I didn’t notice the issues I found with Hip Hop. I think that due to the separation of instruments and the songs not being as busy, it did not congest the lower mids as much.

In fact, the sound of guitars, acoustic bass etc. is very pleasant. I wouldn’t say that they have perfect timbre but the stringed instruments sounded very real and full of life.

Sometimes songs that have a larger amount of instruments, particularly when piano is involved, the lower mids can again feel congested but nowhere near to the extreme as I found with the hip hop albums I mentioned.

Voices are clear and natural sounding, at least to my ears, and I actually enjoyed listening to acoustic music on the BL03 while working. They are by no means perfect for this genre but I needed to focus on the music of songs I have heard many times in order to pick the faults.

Modern pop…

Due to their V shaped signature, ok, L shape, without being overpowering, I am sure that many will love these for modern pop, and I must say that I am quite happy with them myself.

I think these adapt quite well to modern pop although I find that they do much better with female vocals than male vocals, especially deep male vocals, mainly due to the congestion in the lower mids that I have already mentioned.

Measurements…

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On the graph you can clearly see the V shaped (ok, L shaped :wink: )signature that the BL03 have and how the bass is elevated. To be honest, the graph shows the bass to be more exaggerated than it really is, at least to my ears.

If we compare them to the ZS10 Pro, an IEM that I have listened to a lot and holds its own pretty well (especially with a little EQ), we can see even more the elevated bass that the Blon has.

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*These measurements are taken on my own sistem that is in no way calibrated to match the systems of any other person. My measurements must not be compared to any other measurements taken on any other system and are only presented as a guide to compare between different IEMs I have measured. For more info on how I do my measurements, you can visit this link: https://achoreviewsenglish.blogspot.com/2020/06/acho-reviews-measurements.html


Conclusions...

For me they are a very comfortable IEM, although I know I am a minority.
The imaging is pretty acceptable although soundstage is not the widest, but it is difficult to find a good soundstage in IEMs in this price range.

The timbre is good, particularly on stringed acoustic instruments, although I did find the Cajon and similar percussion instruments to sound a little off at times. This is noticeable on songs like “La Luna” by Ottmar Lieback and Luna Negra, where the space between instruments and their placing is good but the timbre of the cajon can sometimes seem a little strange.

With songs that have a lot of movement in the bass and lower mids, the congestion in these frequencies presents itself again and again. It is very noticeable in songs like “Black Muse” by Prince.

On simpler songs, where these frequencies are not saturated, they respond quite well and I don’t feel that it is an excess of bass or even the bleed that causes it, I think that it is there lack of speed for resolving the different instruments that share that same sonic space.

The majority of my time listening to the Blon BL03 has been with the Shanling M2X (balanced) and a few hours on the JDS Labs Atom for analyzing purposes. I did, however, run them from the Loxjie P20 (fed by the SU-8) and really enjoyed them as background music while working. Admittedly, I wasn’t really focusing on the music but I had them for periods of 4 and 5 hours without complaints (mainly acoustic music).

I think that for the 30€ they cost me, they are certainly worth it. They have their issues but they also have their strong points and luckily one of them is with one of my preferred genres.

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Jun 21, 2020 at 5:44 PM Post #24,847 of 31,833
As a second post, I will leave my impressions of the Urbanfun YBF-ISS014, mainly because the review turned into a comparison to the Blon's more than anything else.

Again, this review is available in English and Spanish on my blog: https://achoreviews.blogspot.com

It is also part of the second episode of Acho Reviews on YouTube (in Spanish): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDgjgW4BKkT2PmNCGAqLs7Q

Here is my review...

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Shortly after receiving the Blon BL03, which I just reviewed recently (you can find that review here: Review - Blon BL03), I received the Urbanfun YBF-ISS014, which is a name I can’t remember without looking it up each time, so I’ll just refer to them as the UF. Due to receiving these at more or less the same time and dividing listening time between the two, it is understandable that I will compare them directly to the BL03, especially after reading some comments that said that the YBF were a better version of the BL03 with the problems resolved.

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Build...

At first glance, they look nearly identical to the Blon’s but they are in fact very different, both in comfort and sound.

The general consensus on these is that they are more comfortable than the BL03 due to having a longer insertion, however, personally I preferred the comfort of the Blons, although these are not uncomfortable, I just find that the right side has a habit of moving even when using foam tips. Saying that, each person's anatomy is completely different so it will all be down to personal preference.

The shells of the UF are also made of metal, are quite light and are of a similar size, except for the length of the nozzle, but in my opinion that is more or less where the similarities end.

The cable that is included is not the worst, it is acceptable, although there are much better cables out there. For connections the UF uses MMCX style connectors and that is one of its biggest flaws appears. There are many complaints about the QC of these, with people reporting defective connectors upon arrival and also the connectors breaking when swapping the cable.

In my case, I haven’t has this issue but it is something to definitely be aware of.

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Sound...

As I said, in my opinion they are quite different to the BL03.

The bass is a lost less present which creates a much more balanced sound in the lower registries. They do not lack bass, it is there when it is needed, it is just not as dominant as on the Blon’s and does not seem to leak into the lower mids.

Due to this, the mids, especially male voices, seem clearer and better presented.

When reaching up into the treble, I have not noticed any sibilance except on tracks that are really harsh themselves, and I would say that the treble is the part that is most similar to the BL03 although a little tamer. These are not harsh IEMs, at least in the treble.

The details of the UF are pretty good, with decent speed and separation when dealing with more congested and intense parts of songs.

However, the timbre, in my opinion, is a long way from being good.

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EDM...

As I spent some time listening to EDM on the Blon’s and it seems that this review is more of a comparison than anything else, I feel it is only fair to give them a try with the same music that I reached my conclusions with regarding them.

I will repeat that I am not a great fan of electronic music but I have given the UF a few hours with some boom boom.

My impression is that they are very clear but do not represent the bass in enough quantity or quality for this kind of music. After listening to EDM on the Blon, with the UF it is as though someone has turned down (or off) the subwoofer. I did not find myself having fun with EDM on these at all.

Hip-Hop...

With Hip Hop, specifically the “2001” album by Dre and the “All Eyez On Me” album by Tupac, I found them much better than the Blon. Due to the fact that the lower mids are much cleaner, it is much easier to appreciate the details. While the timbre is again not correct, as this music does not feature many real instruments (at least on these albums) it is not as noticeable. If you have listened to these albums as many times as I have, then you will notice that they sound different but it is not something that makes you feel they sound wrong.

Acoustic...

Moving on to what is probably my favourite genre, at least for general listening, this is where the UF fail for me.

With acoustic music, referring to mainly Spanish guitars, acoustic guitars, acoustic basses, female vocals etc. the clarity and details are more than acceptable, there is a general cleanliness and separation of the instruments that is great, but the instruments themselves sound lifeless.

It is not that they sound bad, as I said, they are very clean, but the timbre is completely off, resulting in hollow sounding stringed instruments, missing the body that makes them sound real, as though a filter has been added or the wrong mic has been used.

The voices are again clean and well defined but missing the life that is needed in this kind of music. There is no warmth to speak of.

Seeing this problem, I spent some time listening to someone who, in my opinion, is one of the best non amplified guitarists in history, Paco De Lucia.

Unfortunately the result is the same. Even though every note is presented with perfect clarity, it is missing the body that makes the Spanish guitar the great instrument that it is.

Modern Pop...

With modern pop they do seem to do a little better, depending on the song. As long as the track in question is not based on stringed instruments and pianos, on other words, not acoustic, the sound signature of the UF actually presents the music in a way that I like.

As they have a more neutral signature than others, such as the Blon, they do not exaggerate the V shape that is already baked into so much of the modern releases, making it feel a little more relaxed.

At no moment do they seem to loose control or clarity, even in tracks that are overly bass heavy, and the bass does not have a negative impact on the mids at all.

Measurements...

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Taking a look at the measurements, it shows how the UF are pretty neutral, or are at least aimed that way. The graph does show a peak around 12kHz as it is rolling off, however, that is not something I noticed while listening, maybe due to the fact that although it shows as a peak, it is actually lower than the rest of the frequencies.

If we look at the UF in comparison to the Blon BL03, it is very easy to see how the bass is much more exaggerated on the Blon, in fact, all the way up to around 2kHz the Blons are more exaggerated. The frequency curve is very similar between the two except for that last peak as treble rolls off which is about 1kHz higher on the UF.

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This goes to prove that the frequency response is just a small part of judging the sound of an IEM, as I would say that the sound is from two different worlds.

*These measurements are taken on my own system that is in no way calibrated to match the systems of any other person. My measurements must not be compared to any other measurements taken on any other system and are only presented as a guide to compare between different IEMs I have measured. For more info on how I do my measurements, you can visit this link: https://achoreviewsenglish.blogspot.com/2020/06/acho-reviews-measurements.html

My conclusions…

While the Urbanfun YBF-ISS014 (yes, I looked it up) have some things going for them that I had not yet found in any IEM of this price range, such as their detail, separation of instruments and in general their capability to deal with even the most complex passages, they also lack some things that I find neccesary in an IEM, especially when listening for pleasure.

Their soundstage is not excessively wide and their imaging is ok but not great, this can be noticed by using the typical tracks like “Letter” by Yoshi Orikawa and “La Luna” by Ottmar Liebert & Luna Negra.

The incorrect timbre, that results in the life that is missing from guitars and other acoustic instruments, is something that, at least for me, stops me from enjoying the music.

I think that they would be great for editing purposes, or even mixing, as long as you already know what the music sounds like before you mix it. In fact, I could quite easily use these as monitors on stage, where it is important to hear what is going on around me, replacing the ZS10 Pro that I have been using until now, but I find the ZS10 Pro more comfortable.

But for music listening purposes, which is the main reason for purchasing these, I prefer the Blon BL03 (even with the dirtiness in the lower mids), the ZS10 Pro or even the Sony MH755 which cost me 1/6 of the price of these.

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Jun 21, 2020 at 6:56 PM Post #24,849 of 31,833
Jun 21, 2020 at 7:01 PM Post #24,850 of 31,833
Yeah, by using that one. So, should I change the adapter or should I change the headphone? You made me kinda scared actually. :)
Actually it uses lightning, doesnt it? I keep forgetting that but yeah I dont know much about the lightning adapter but their usb type-c adapter is ABSURDLY GOOD for what's more or less a sub $10 DAC, probably far better than most phones' onboard audio solutions.

I remember also the usb type-c adapter measuring 0.9Ω which is very good, I think your adapter should have no issues, but again I'm assuming the lightning adapter uses the same DAC as its usb type-c counterpart.

Edit: I also saw on the CVJ CSA page that it uses the standard 2 pin 0.78mm connector rather than the QDC one that also KZ uses. but ali express storefronts list it as 2 pin 0.75mm... I'm confused.
 
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Jun 21, 2020 at 9:20 PM Post #24,851 of 31,833
I’ll let you know when I get mine, in hopefully two weeks. I missed out on an FH7 deal recently and it was the beryllium driver (vs the polymer driver in my FH5) that peaked my interest.

I saw 2 blue left on Amazon for $59.99 so I got one coming as well. Said two in stock but they don't have a delivery date yet so they may be expecting them for their fulfillment service but might not have them in just yet.

Look forward to your reviews and impressions on the FD1!

I tried asking a Fiio rep and some sellers for a graph for the FD1, they refused to release it. Oh wells.

The Fiio FD1 shell looks like the Jade Audio's shell, and that was super comfortable and well fitting, so at least comfort shouldn't be a problem.
 
Jun 21, 2020 at 10:45 PM Post #24,852 of 31,833
Jun 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM Post #24,855 of 31,833
OMG That FR... (6k peak might be problematic)
If I don't have sora2 at the moment I would've pulled the trigger
The 6kHz does pop up on some recordings, which is why I said it can run a bit hot at times. Pretty good set for people who like a bit of treble in the mix though.
 

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