Cayin RU6: R-2R USB Dongle DAC with Head-Amp

Dec 11, 2021 at 12:54 PM Post #886 of 3,778
Can someone compare sound quality of RU6 vs Go Blu? I know, different purposes but I'm just curious what the differences are between the two when it comes to sound.

For me, the Go Blu looks like a better product for my use (Gym, Walking...) but if RU6 sounds better, I'd like to get that instead, never heard an R2R before so I'm conflicted.
The Go Blu does have 2 different DSP settings which can be added singly or together. I mostly used the stock setting which sounded decent but the convenience of Bluetooth was diminished by the weak BT reception and dropouts. Perhaps I just got a bum unit and ultimately returned it. OTOH, the RU6 has fully met my expectations and is a definite keeper.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 1:24 PM Post #887 of 3,778
The Go Blu does have 2 different DSP settings which can be added singly or together. I mostly used the stock setting which sounded decent but the convenience of Bluetooth was diminished by the weak BT reception and dropouts. Perhaps I just got a bum unit and ultimately returned it. OTOH, the RU6 has fully met my expectations and is a definite keeper.
Thanks, could you try and describe the sonic difference between Go Blu & RU6? Is RU6 warmer than Go Blu or smoother...e.t.c

Also, do you notice any EMI issues like popping noise with the RU6? I had this issue with Sparrow & to a small extent with the Mojo too.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 1:38 PM Post #889 of 3,778
I have posted these on a different forum, but I wanted to post them here as well, and say how pleased I am with the way the RU6 drives my Audeze LCD-5, from both 3.5mm and 4.4mm outputs. The pictured cable is the Norne audio Drausk, which is fantastic in the chain. However, I am currently using the Vykari as well, and it ups the ante on several different fronts, and by the way, I hear no etch or anything resembling unpleasant edges anywhere in the spectrum... Just delicious and sumptuous liquidity all around and a weighty textured bass that has removed any desire for EQ'ing... Of course, YMMV, but I am generally happy that RU6 offers me the opportunity to use my LCD-5 on the Go when needed :



This does not surprise me because I was able to drive the LCD5 with my DX300 and it sounded good. I found the LCD5 to be too intense in the treble so I think I would prefer it with a warmer source.
 
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Dec 11, 2021 at 2:55 PM Post #890 of 3,778
If you allow me to add my personal opinion, admittedly off-topic:
… and if you don‘t want to deal with ”Conquistadores“, then just go for Qobuz … :D YMMV.
I just signed up for a free trial of QoBuz yesterday as it now is supported by my music player...sound quality is excellent and immediate access to this huge library is really something I don't know how I lived without before. I'm impressed.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 5:57 PM Post #891 of 3,778
Thanks, could you try and describe the sonic difference between Go Blu & RU6? Is RU6 warmer than Go Blu or smoother...e.t.c

Also, do you notice any EMI issues like popping noise with the RU6? I had this issue with Sparrow & to a small extent with the Mojo too.
My subjective impression is that the RU6 has a more natural and lifelike timbre with precise definition of individual voice and instruments. I suspect this is, in part, due to limitations of the Bluetooth decoding technology.
The Go Blu is certainly adequate for out and about and gym use but for more critical listening, the RU6 scales up really well and IMO, is the more satisfying instrument.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 9:32 PM Post #892 of 3,778
Then, I spent 2 hours A/B/C testing the RU6 against the Lotoo PAW S2 and the L&P W2. . I listening to some tracks where the RU6 sounded very congested when there were a lot of instruments.
Used 4.4 balanced or 3.5 single end only?

When I first tried RU6 using single end I also find it congested. But after using 4.4 I found it very satisfying.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 9:33 PM Post #893 of 3,778
Used 4.4 balanced or 3.5 single end only?

When I first tried RU6 using single end I also find it congested. But after using 4.4 I found it very satisfying.
4.4mm only.
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 10:42 PM Post #894 of 3,778
Up front: I continue to realize what a cute little thing the RU6 is, most of all soundwise and what has been packed into this small form factor. But I keep coming across some gotchas…

I would like to give an initial report here on my findings with the RU6 and Linux when I feed it from a Linux laptop via USB-A > Cayin USB-A to C > Cayin USB-C to C cable. I am using openSUSE Tumbleweed for now, which is a rolling release distro with everything updated to their latest versions. I did already mention here that I prefer to have the audio player software play directly to alsa in order to ensure bit-perfectness; that means any pulseaudio or pipewire is bypassed. My audio player software are the ”audiophile standard“ mpd+Cantata (Music Player Daemon service with Cantata as graphical control interface) and DeaDBeeF (stand-alone player, similar to foobar2000 on Windows). For your reference, there was a website by Ronald van Engelen (lacocina.nl), which unfortunately is defunct now, but accessible through the wayback machine - this site taught me the basics of audiophile Linux.

As is well known, there is no need for ”external“ (manufacturer-supplied third-party stuff) audio drivers under Linux, since alsa with its kernel modules takes care of talking to the hardware (if it can). My Linux systems (both Tumbleweed as well as Manjaro, the latter not tested with the RU6 yet) work flawlessly out of the box with all my USB-DACs, Chord Hugo 2, Cayin N6ii, and AudioQuest DragonFly Red; EDIT: same for the miniDSP USB-to-optical Streamer.

Unfortunately, I do have a mixed bag of findings to report with the RU6. Most of the time, everything works fine, but there are occasional glitches of various kinds. I’ll restrict myself here to playing PCM from local FLAC files, all standard bit depth / sample rates (BD/SR for short).

What is happening?
(1) When two consecutive tracks have identical BD/SR, playback works fine all the time.
(2) However, when one or both of SR and/or BD change from one track to the next, a failure can occur right from the start of the second track - loud ”white“ noise, which supposedly continues for the entire track (the track time display progresses, but I stopped replay at some point, of course). Such misbehavior occurs with both player apps tested, in identical ways.
(3) I couldn’t find any systematics yet for that gross misbehavior:
(a) It does not occur at all SR/BD changes.
(b) It occurs both when the gapless player apps transition from one track to the next, as well as when I start the second track myself while playing the first one.
(c) When I have encountered a misbehaving track sequence, then the misbehavior is reproducible most of the time, but sometimes not.

All that is so very strange. @DBaldock9: We both do observe that an error occurs at a SR/BD change. But you got a hang-up when using pipewire / JRiver, which I never got up to now. I just get this loud white noise. @DBaldock9: What is your status now, please?

Let me mention again: I don‘t encounter such a gross error with any of my other USB-DACs listed above, when I use them one at a time. Moreover: One can set mpd up to play to several USB-DACs simultaneously, each one hooked up to different USB outputs. Guess what: Only RU6 produces white noise, while any other USB-DAC continues to play properly simultaneously.

And: On a Windows system, my RU6 is well behaved, mostly (cf. above for my issue with Roon & ASIO).

In summary, I get ”white noise“ at some SR/BD changes under Linux. Unfortunately, I am still clueless as to any systematics. I will keep on after the weekend and report back.
 
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Dec 11, 2021 at 11:53 PM Post #895 of 3,778
Noticed some people here have the Sparrow. I can one up with a Bulbul and it was rather impressed with my new RU6.
Have done quite a few miles on this R2R now and it has me grabbing it for any excuse to listen with. Loving the sound in such a portable set up.
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Dec 12, 2021 at 12:19 AM Post #896 of 3,778
The Go Blu does have 2 different DSP settings which can be added singly or together. I mostly used the stock setting which sounded decent but the convenience of Bluetooth was diminished by the weak BT reception and dropouts. Perhaps I just got a bum unit and ultimately returned it. OTOH, the RU6 has fully met my expectations and is a definite keeper.
Go Blu's BT signal is indeed not that strong as it has been widely reported.

Also on a minor point, if those DSP you are referring are the XBass and XSpace, they are actually hardware circuit EQ and not done by DSP.
 
Dec 12, 2021 at 1:43 AM Post #898 of 3,778
I just signed up for a free trial of QoBuz yesterday as it now is supported by my music player...sound quality is excellent and immediate access to this huge library is really something I don't know how I lived without before. I'm impressed.
Once you start streaming the life gets simpler
 
Dec 12, 2021 at 3:40 AM Post #899 of 3,778
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All that is so very strange. @DBaldock9: We both do observe that an error occurs at a SR/BD change. But you got a hang-up when using pipewire / JRiver, which I never got up to now. I just get this loud white noise. @DBaldock9: What is your status now, please?
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My Linux audio sub-system is now presenting an even more annoying problem - with all of my USB connected devices.
Previously, when playing YouTube videos, there were no issues when going from one to the next, since they were all the same 48-KHz sample rate.
Now - whenever I start a new video, there's usually audio in only one channel (mostly left, sometimes right), until I press F5 and reload the screen a time or two - although just opening the "Audio Volume / Device Selection" pop-up from the SysTray sometimes causes the other channel to begin working.
Manually selecting tracks in the Nuvola Qobuz Player also has the issue of one channel audio, so I have to select another track, and then back to the one I want to hear (and sometimes have to restart pipewire) before getting two channel audio.

This is not in any way related to the RU6, because the problem occurs with my other DACs, even when the RU6 isn't connected to the PC.
 
Dec 12, 2021 at 3:49 AM Post #900 of 3,778
Yes, there is a piece of magnet at the back of the protective case.

With reference to R01, First 50 hours makes a lot of different, and the DAC will stable after 100 hours, so please give it a few day before you draw your conclusion, or return the dongle to the seller just in case you don't like it. :wink: :wink: :wink:

@Andykong I don't doubt this, but could you please elaborate on which parts of the sound become stable? Maybe you have some experience with this. Many thanks :)
 

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