[ionier]

There are two things i dislike only; Screen quality and volume wheel seems loose. Doubtful durability.

 

[abitdeef]

I have only about 30 hrs so far. I hope it will open up the 4.4 output and improve the bass too.

Bass is still almost too powerful on 4.4, but to me the treble and stage has improved. Honestly I've got plenty of detail and treble on the UL mode and I've got that wonderful holographic sound. The SS modes to me just don't sound as good. I even like trileanear if I'm listening to jazz or vocals.

 

[DavidS11]

Bass is still almost too powerful on 4.4, but to me the treble and stage has improved. Honestly I've got plenty of detail and treble on the UL mode and I've got that wonderful holographic sound. The SS modes to me just don't sound as good. I even like trileanear if I'm listening to jazz or vocals.

At the moment, I’m finding the bass of the tube outputs is not as tight and textured as 3.5 SS. Not sure it will improve with more time.

 

[abitdeef]

At the moment, I’m finding the bass of the tube outputs is not as tight and textured as 3.5 SS. Not sure it will improve with more time.

I don’t think that's going to change, the tubes give the bass some oomph I mean there is some coloration going on there. That being said I find the bass on the UL mode rather nice. Reminds me of a good cd player of long ago I like the extra note thickness in the low end, especially on some rock.

I mean it's still has enough speed and resolution to really appreciate Tony Levin's Chapman stick and the mids an treble sound great for the rest of the guys. I want to add, I always put my daps on high gain and adjust the volume down when I actually listen- not burn in time. To me it seems to tighten things up- maybe just my imagination

 

[morndewey]

This may have been considered already but, any way to turn off or keep message re ‘tubes need to warm’ from popping up every time?

 

[morndewey]

Anyone experienced this? Setting unit down on surface or moving suddenly, neither too forcefully, causes a high pitched whine for several seconds like a tone generator

 

[Whitigir]

Anyone experienced this? Setting unit down on surface or moving suddenly, neither too forcefully, causes a high pitched whine for several seconds like a tone generator

Tubes ringing....very common for anything with tubes associated

 

[1TrickPony]

Anyone experienced this? Setting unit down on surface or moving suddenly, neither too forcefully, causes a high pitched whine for several seconds like a tone generator

That means it's legit tubes bruv. It was new to me when I had the xuelin 1969 tube dap... guess that's why people have tubes in their desktop setup

 

[Whitigir]

That means it's legit tubes bruv. It was new to me when I had the xuelin 1969 tube dap... guess that's why people have tubes in their desktop setup

Usually condom rings for the tubes provide it some reliefs

 

[1TrickPony]

Usually condom rings for the tubes provide it some reliefs

You're like them Macguyver type aren't you?

 

[morndewey]

This tube ringing of which you speak, does causing such harm them?

 

[abitdeef]

I heard that sound the other day and I was rewinding- ok scrubbing to hear it again. I thought it was some weird percussion instrument lol.

 

[Whitigir]

This tube ringing of which you speak, does causing such harm them?

There are no harms. They are just annoying like heck’s since the modern devices are all about silent back grounds and high fidelity.

The reason being is that Vacuums tubes operate on the electron clouds principles. So any physical vibrations would generate a physical sound waves (moving particles) and this makes the electrons moves and oscillate themselves before hitting the grids and arrive at the destinations. It is almost like a rock dropped that generates the ripples in the ponds ....except instead of seeing the ripples visually, you are hearing it

You can take a bottle of water, give it a little motions and see the ripples hitting the walls!!! That is exactly how these tubes are being effected

These old school techs are full of noises , similar to LP and the dusts in the grooves, or the arm resonances....or tapes hisses....etc. Perhaps, this is the reason why they also sound different and good!!!! Just take it from the old school folks...they call it “Beautiful noises”

another myth about tubes warm up is that also due to the clouds density and formation! The warmer the tubes are, the better it generates electric clouds. But tubes in general warm up much faster than any solid states components, for example when VS transistors, IC chips, and even resistors! Once warmed up, usually 60 seconds to 180 seconds, the tubes become stables, where as the other stuff could take as long as 15 minutes. Anyone who have made their own Amplifier and tuning the balances or offset, and feedbacks would know this. So, the fact is that any Solid states devices could take up to 15 minutes or longer to be stables are totally true....some people can observe it and hear it with their desktop systems, so they prefer to have their own DAC / amps to be always on!!

 

[abitdeef]

There are no harms. They are just annoying like heck’s since the modern devices are all about silent back grounds and high fidelity.

The reason being is that Vacuums tubes operate on the electron clouds principles. So any physical vibrations would generate a physical sound waves (moving particles) and this makes the electrons moves and oscillate themselves before hitting the grids and arrive at the destinations. It is almost like a rock dropped that generates the ripples in the ponds ....except instead of seeing the ripples visually, you are hearing it

You can take a bottle of water, give it a little motions and see the ripples hitting the walls!!! That is exactly how these tubes are being effected

These old school techs are full of noises , similar to LP and the dusts in the grooves, or the arm resonances....or tapes hisses....etc. Perhaps, this is the reason why they also sound different and good!!!! Just take it from the old school folks...they call it “Beautiful noises”

I'm finding stuff like piano has more body/resonance and sounds more realistic in tube mode. I likes it!

 

[Whitigir]

I'm finding stuff like piano has more body/resonance and sounds more realistic in tube mode. I likes it!

Agreed tubes harmonics is an awesome addition to the typical solid states stuff. But with every gains, there are compromises....