Cayin C9: Dual Nutube, Fully Balanced Class A/AB Portable HeadAmp

May 27, 2021 at 1:07 PM Post #4,366 of 6,374
The C9 is pretty amazing and can easily compete with Miniaturized Dynalo desktop amplifier (DIY Project). For people who isn’t aware of that desktop amp, it mass produced variant is Mini-GSX from Headamps.

Now, when you count in the Korg Tubes technologies , switchable amplification modes, and portable form factor

The C9 is just a clear winner in so many ways
 
May 28, 2021 at 3:34 PM Post #4,369 of 6,374
With the sale, I join this flavor of the year club.

I have a Hiby R8 but anyone have a suggest for a small dac only unit I could use with the C9?
 
May 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Post #4,370 of 6,374
With the sale, I join this flavor of the year club.

I have a Hiby R8 but anyone have a suggest for a small dac only unit I could use with the C9?
If you can find one that uses R2R I bet that would be awesome with the C9.
 
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May 28, 2021 at 4:40 PM Post #4,371 of 6,374
Could the Luxury & Precision W2 be used as a source? I'm assuming it can't be a good one because there is no line out mode, but if you guys have any thoughts, I would love to hear them. A Phone -> W2 -> C9 seems like a semi-decent idea although I'm more likely to get a standalone DAC or a DAP with line-out.
 
May 29, 2021 at 10:23 PM Post #4,373 of 6,374
This combo omg

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May 29, 2021 at 10:27 PM Post #4,374 of 6,374
May 29, 2021 at 10:29 PM Post #4,375 of 6,374
Could the Luxury & Precision W2 be used as a source? I'm assuming it can't be a good one because there is no line out mode, but if you guys have any thoughts, I would love to hear them. A Phone -> W2 -> C9 seems like a semi-decent idea although I'm more likely to get a standalone DAC or a DAP with line-out.
I tried it. It sucks.
 
May 29, 2021 at 10:31 PM Post #4,377 of 6,374
May 29, 2021 at 10:48 PM Post #4,378 of 6,374
Congrats! So you managed to get a pair of VC? Nice!

Yep! Just got them today, got lucky with snagging a pair pre-Classifieds listing (looks like I've lucked out 2x in a row there, once with the C9 (thanks in part to you!) and now the VC).

Agreed, VC sounds great out of the C9. And it looks like you also have the Camphor Burl Ltd.

I see you have one too! Zach's work never fails to be stunning, definitely feel lucky to have one of these.

I completely agree. Is that a DX300 as your source?

Yessir it is. It seems to be playing along fantastically with this chain, and it should even improve further now that the dedicated LO module for the DX300 just released.
 
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May 31, 2021 at 5:09 PM Post #4,379 of 6,374
Now that I am home, I am able to mix and match my gear to see what happens. I had such good luck with Hugo 2 + C9 via USB set up to my laptop that I just had to try it with my Bluesound Node 2i streamer. As expected, getting rid of USB really raised the level of the Hugo 2 + C9. I connect the Node 2i via optical input. The sound stage increased and the bass response deepened. The sound is more 3D. Punch and slam improves quite a bit. The best part of it is that the Node 2i supports Tidal Connect, so I can control the music with my iPhone either using the BluOS app or the Tidal app directly. I haven't tried it with my 2Go yet. This set up is just so perfect.

As a side exercise, I bought a THX AAA 789 amp to see how well it pairs with my Schiit Bifrost 2 DAC. Wow. This set up rocks and it's a matter of preference which set up is better.

Node 2i + Bifrost 2 + THX AAA 789 vs. Node 2i + Hugo 2 + C9. The full sized desktop solution is way cheaper with a retail price of $549 + $699 + $320 vs $549 + $2495 + $1995 or $1568 vs $5039. The THX solution has far greater power, sound stage and transparency. The C9 solution is warmer and has tube sound. So, depending on your headphones, you may prefer one over the other. For instance, for my Custom LX, the C9 solution is better because I can put it into tube mode and get that really deep sub bass rumble. The THX solution is far better with the Focal Clear headphones. The greater sound stage compensates for the lack of sound stage with these headphones. And, since the Clears are already warm, it doesn't lose much pairing with a more transparent source. I was finally able to make the Clears sound good with the Hugo 2 + C9, but it required significant EQ. On the Hugo 2 + C9, the Clears take on an L-shaped sound signature with overloaded bass and really recessed treble and stage. So, EQing them to Harmon corrected this and the sound great with it

Here are the Parametric settings I used. Notice the significant boost in the treble.

Preamp: -6.3 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 24 Hz Gain 6.1 dB Q 1.03
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 2277 Hz Gain 3.8 dB Q 2.35
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 4658 Hz Gain 7.0 dB Q 1.46
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 9687 Hz Gain 8.8 dB Q 0.54
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 14961 Hz Gain -7.6 dB Q 0.06
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 178 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1.16
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 588 Hz Gain 1.0 dB Q 1.44
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 5373 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 5.50
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 6010 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 3.77
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 6832 Hz Gain 2.1 dB Q 5.80

Fortunately, this is not required with the THX solution.

After initial testing, I am concluding that for full sized headphones, the C9 can sufficiently drive them and make them sound good, but a true desktop solution provides the better overall performance both absolutely and from a price-performance point of view. I think the best use case for the C9 is transportable solution for mainly IEMs and some headphones. But, to drive full sized headphones, full desktop solution is the way to go. The full desktop solution is likely to blow away the C9 solution when I add a full sized tube amp like a ZMF Pendant SE. And, at a retail price of $1995, it will still be significantly cheaper than the transportable C9 solution. There is a significant cost of portability. Your use cases will determine if the price difference is worth it to you.
 
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May 31, 2021 at 8:59 PM Post #4,380 of 6,374
Hmm. So I just got the Sennheiser IE900 and the Cayin C9 this weekend. I have an LCD-3 non-fazor as my only full-sized headphone and it is hard to drive.

I wasn't expecting much from the Cayin despite it's high price tag. To be honest, it seemed like the flavor of the last few months in head-fi. It doesn't have a DAC which means you have to stack it with something else. It's being pushed as a solution for IEMs, but IEMs don't usually require much power. So, I expected that it would be a quick return. There were certain aspects of it that I liked a lot - the replaceable batteries are a rarity in today's market. I LOVE tubes.

My first impressions were on appearance alone. It.is.huge. I've had the WA11, Diablo, and many other large portable amps from Ray Samuels and hifi m8. This feels like a brick. So many inputs, outputs, and switches. I couldn't see myself taking it anywhere.

I tried it with the Sennheiser IE900 and the Hiby R8 and it sounded slightly better that just the R8 but not life-changing. However, when I tried it with the LCD-3 on High Gain, I was blown away. Literally, nothing I've heard (including fully upgraded WA7 + WA7TP) sounded as good. Bass hit deeper, the soundstage was expansive, and there was power and control in the volume pot.

I immediately looked for the case and ordered it on eBay. This will be in my collection for a long, long time. I know this post contradicts the last written assessment, but clearly I found some synergy between my favorite headphone and the C9.
 

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