CanJam SoCal 2015 Impressions Thread
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Mar 31, 2015 at 9:46 PM Post #511 of 955
I agree with so many other posts about not having proper music selections for demoing audio gear. As far as using classical and acapella music to audition headphones - it will fool you most every time. You need a source audio track that utilizes most of the frequency range, especially with at least a moderate paced rhythm in order to properly be able to hear what any speaker system can do. Otherwise with the likes of ambient, vocal-only or classical music you are mostly just hearing the midrange part of the sound spectrum and have no basis at all to catch a glimpse of the dynamics / impact, sub-bass and treble the audio gear is capable of. This specific reason is why I walked away from several headphones that could have been good. So rhythmic music such as EDM or even pop & hip-hop work well for auditioning, as well as rock - BUT only the ones that are mastered well, which, IMO only accounts for about 1-3% of all music. For me personally I brought some big-beat/electro songs that were particularly mastered well, along with an EDM and rock song that was mastered by a super-established mastering engineer (Bob Ludwig); with well-mastered music that takes advantage of the whole frequency range / instrument layering / soundstage imagining with medium-to-fast rhythmic elements it can be possible to get a very good initial impression of a headphone's performance within just 5 - 15 seconds.
 
I also agree, even being a techie that I too had a hard time figuring out how to work these digital media players which didn't have any buttons besides on/off and volume, or even any indication on the flatscreen where the buttons are that can can allow you to choose a different album or genre. Daft Punk's newest (mastered by Bob Ludwig) and Radiohead were quite prevelant on many of the exhibitor booths so this was helpful, but my suggestion to all the exhibitors is to please stay "with the times" in your music selection by offering more popular, rhythmic-based music to test your headphones; and secondly to check the credits to make sure it was mastered by a well established audio engineer.
 
EDIT: medium-to-fast paced jazz can work well too
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 9:46 PM Post #512 of 955
 
I gotta note that it wasn't just that binaural track that made the soundstage so good. I also listened to Emilie Claire Barlow's "The Very Thought Of You" and Eagles' "Tequila Sunrise" and "Hotel California" on Hell Freezes Over as well, and the soundstage of the R10 in all of those cases blew everything else I have heard. That was right before you wanted to plug your own phone in to try your own tracks.
 
I mean... the binaural track was great, but I wouldn't just base my thoughts on it. The R10 was able to get that binaural track to sound awesome, but it was still able to get a deeper, wider, taller, and overall much bigger soundstage than anything else available. Even the HD800 sounds a bit blurry in comparison. Imaging-wise, the R10 was much better. The lack of bass also made the R10 sound "faster" as well. It was ultimately able to give a more "live" presentation of those recordings I mentioned... with much better depth, than even some speakers that I have heard. In that regard, I think other headphones still have a lot to catch up to. Bass and tonality, the R10 would be lacking behind, yes, but it still had much better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging focus than anything else. And yeah, that also includes the SR-009 and HD800.
 
And of course, this view isn't just me. Some of my friends who still own or have heard the R10 kept mentioning this "depth", and I could never get it. Now I do.

That's great. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't negatively influencing your impressions somehow. I would have loved to listen to the R10 more myself, but it's unfortunate the show had to end. 
 
Also, this thread is still going pretty fast, and I remain short on time to dedicate to it.
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:05 PM Post #514 of 955
  I agree with so many other posts about not having proper music selections for demoing audio gear. As far as using classical and acapella music to audition headphones - it will fool you most every time. You need a source audio track that utilizes most of the frequency range, especially with at least a moderate paced rhythm in order to properly be able to hear what any speaker system can do. Otherwise with the likes of ambient, vocal-only or classical music you are mostly just hearing the midrange part of the sound spectrum and have no basis at all to catch a glimpse of the dynamics / impact, sub-bass and treble the audio gear is capable of. This specific reason is why I walked away from several headphones that could have been good. So rhythmic music such as EDM or even pop & hip-hop work well for auditioning, as well as rock - BUT only the ones that are mastered well, which, IMO only accounts for about 1-3% of all music. For me personally I brought some big-beat/electro songs that were particularly mastered well, along with an EDM and rock song that was mastered by a super-established mastering engineer (Bob Ludwig); with well-mastered music that takes advantage of the whole frequency range / instrument layering / soundstage imagining with medium-to-fast rhythmic elements it can be possible to get a very good initial impression of a headphone's performance within just 5 - 15 seconds.
 
I also agree, even being a techie that I too had a hard time figuring out how to work these digital media players which didn't have any buttons besides on/off and volume, or even any indication on the flatscreen where the buttons are that can can allow you to choose a different album or genre. Daft Punk's newest (mastered by Bob Ludwig) and Radiohead were quite prevelant on many of the exhibitor booths so this was helpful, but my suggestion to all the exhibitors is to please stay "with the times" in your music selection by offering more popular, rhythmic-based music to test your headphones; and secondly to check the credits to make sure it was mastered by a well established audio engineer.
 
EDIT: medium-to-fast paced jazz can work well too

 
+1, completely agree. My go-to audition albums are Blast! An Explosive Musical Celebration (Redbook only), the Blue Man Group, and Gordon Goodwin's latest Big Phat Band album. I enjoy a lot of other stuff too, but those are my premier audition albums. They use the full available frequency and dynamic ranges with excellent recording/mixing.
 
I generally steer clear of EDM and pop/hip hop because of the rampant poor recording/mastering. Wouldn't mind some tips about the exceptions, as after several poor experiences I'm loathe to spend money with such a bad hit ratio.
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:12 PM Post #515 of 955
Thanks to all the organizers and facilitators of CanJam 2015. It was a great event and I really enjoyed my Sunday visit. Here are my thoughts about the booths I visited:

- 1964 Ears – Very briefly tried their top of the line A12. It didn’t do much for me. I am a happy JHAudio JH13 owner, and really no other IEMs I hear tempt me away from them. Not even JHAudio’s own flagships since. I’m either a diehard JH13 fan or the universal fit demo units don’t do the trick for me. Who knows. Good for my wallet in any case.
 
- ALO Audio – Ken and ALO are always one of my favorite stops. I use the ALO Continental v2 in my primary (transportable) rig and love it. So crystal clear and big soundstage with some tubey lushness. I tried Ken’s new prototype Continental Dual Mono with my JH13s. The sound was a definite step up from what I’m using (the CDM has a DAC as well to replace the Algorhythm Solo in my rig). The sound was more focused and “right there” in comparison to my existing setup, but kept key elements of what I love about my existing ALO tube amp. Ken says the balanced outputs sound even better, and I believe him. The CDM is on my covet list.
 
- Red Wine Audio - Vinnie was there to help showcase the ALO CDM, since he helped design it. He also brought his new LIO ultracapacitor-based modular system. I listened to the HE560 (I think?) he had hooked up to it, and this amp is a beast! It simply manhandled those cans. So much life and PRAT to the music. Yet so perfectly pure and clear. I was really blown away…I only wish I had a quiet environment to have experienced it. I’m curious if others had a chance to hear the LIO and what they thought, as to me it sounded way better than a lot of the much hyped amp/dac gear I had read so much about.
 
- MIT Cables / Audeze LCD-XC – I listened to the Audeze LCD-XC through the MIT cables. I like the LCD-XC, and it was on my covet list for a while. It’s off the list now, since I found the much cheaper NAD HP50 to use as my closed-back go to. The LCD-XC sounds better, mind you, but it’s 6 times the price, and likely I might have found it too heavy on the head for long listening sessions. Plus, at this meet I found a new high-price covet headphone (more on that below). The MIT cables which got swapped out for the stock cable, and then a “bass dongle” added, did seem to affect the sound a bit. Maybe it tightened up the sound, but I really couldn’t trust any of the small changes I thought I might have noticed. I would have to live with a certain combo for a couple weeks and get to know it intimately, then swap a cable and see if I could tell a difference. When I learned the MIT cables were $800, I knew they weren’t for me. Show special price was $300. Hmmm…

- Cavalli Audio – Listened to the Liquid Silicon portable amp, which sounded good, then tried the Liquid Carbon next to it, which sounded great. It was being sourced by the Hugo, and this combo really worked for me. It was hard to think about going back to the Silicon after hearing the Carbon.
 
- Chord Electronics – Listened very briefly to the TT. It sounded good. I had listened to the Hugo at an earlier meet, and I didn’t quite get what the hype/price was about (except for the super cool colorful volume sliders). At this meet, I heard the Hugo being used as a DAC for the Liquid Carbon amp, and the sound was phenomenal. I’m thinking (based on very limited data) that the Hugo’s DAC is amazing but the amp maybe is lesser than some other dedicated amps.  Again, all based on very limited listening.

- Hifiman – Heard the HE1000. It sounds very good, similar to an electrostat. Would have liked more time with these, but they were popular and in a high traffic area, and I could feel people waiting.
 
- Frank Cooter’s Stax amp – Holy cow, what a monster! Sounded amazing.
 
- JPS Labs/Abyss – I had never heard of the Abyss phones, and randomly stumbled into the chair at the very end of my day. These phones are very, very good. Makes you question what you’ve been doing listening to headphones when these things can sit just off your ears and sound that good. I was almost relieved when I heard the price tag. No need to question my headphone architecture until my dollar spend on headphones is significantly larger.
 
- Massdrop / AKG K7XXX – Really enjoyed the Massdrop booth. Very nice guy with a good collection of phone/amp combos at great prices. I was stunned by the sound of the AKG 7XXX. I’ve been around a while, and 6 years ago the Head-Fi meets were filled with AKG 701s (or equivalent). Every booth had them. I just never cared for them…too bright I want to say, but can’t really remember. Anyway, I loved the K7XXX with my current source/amp, and had to clarify a few times that they were really just $200 phones. Maybe it was a weird fluke, and they’re not as good as they seemed to me Sunday. I’ll find out, because I just bought a pair from a fellow Head-Fier (would have bought them at the booth or online but there’s no stock).
 
- Mr Speakers – Heard the new Ether. Sounded good. I listened to it on a few different setups, and it sounded very different on all of them. I need much more time with these on various setups to form an impression, as the sound was different each time I plugged them into something.
 
- Oppo – listened to the new Oppo portable and thought it was great at its price point. Sleek and functional with very good sound. I also liked the PM3 headphone.
 
- Schiit Audio – I listened to the Ether out of the Yggdrasil/Ragnarok combo. It sounded really good. I didn’t get quite the same jaw drop as I got from the LIO, but who knows. I would love to A/B these those two combos side by side in a quiet environment.
 
- Final Audio – Final Audio has in-ear phones that don’t seal in the ear. I tried the flagship. It’s not for me, but I was impressed with how good it sounded given that it doesn’t seal in the ear canal. Funniest part of the day was when I asked what made for the price differentiation between the identically shaped silver colored model ($1000-something) and gold colored model ($2000-something), and the sales guy told me with all seriousness that the flagship was made of real gold. I was taken aback and was forming my next question (how many karats?) when the woman behind the table (designer maybe?) corrected the sales guy that they were in fact made of chrome copper.
 
- Enigmacoustics – The Dharma was my favorite headphone of the show. It sounded great from their own amp, but I started to get very interested when it sounded excellent from my portable rig. I’m surprised there is not more buzz about these in the impressions thread. Fast as an electrostat, but with some bass oomph missing from electrostats (and no need for special amp). I really fell in love with the sound and this is my new coveted headphone. Only issue I had with them was that the metal at the bottom of the phone touched my neck…I actually thought my neck had gotten wet until I realized it was just the metal housing making contact. I understand it’s not the final housing design, though, so hopefully that gets fixed. Many people at that booth when I was around were raving about the Dharma, to the point where I thought for sure this was to be the clearly accepted giant killer. Reading opinions on head-fi, though, I can see this is clearly not the case. I’ll look forward to listening to them again once a production unit is ready. 
 
I was really excited to see all the new products at the show. Lots of innovation going on right now in head-fi. Good times!
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:18 PM Post #516 of 955
THANK YOU CANJAMMERS!  (CanJamamama's?  CanJambalaya's? CanJamaLamaDingDongers?)
 
As a long time fan and new forum member,  ive been living vicariously though all your wonderful posts from and about the event.
Its sooooo great (and soooo dangerous on ye-ole-bank-account) to hear about the amazing gear you heard at CanJam.  There's a great community here with a unique and wonderful passion for the enjoyment of music.  I dig it the most!
 
Thanks again..keep the great write ups coming!
 
Peace & Living in Stereo,
 
Three Toes of Fury (3ToF)
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:20 PM Post #517 of 955
   Audio shows are most importantly meant to be a celebration of our hobby and passion, as well as a vehicle to share our passion with other like minded people. Where else an we get together in one place to experience  so much of the equipment that we read about and possibly dream about some day owning for ourselves. As a manufacturer I don't exhibit solely to make a sale to everyone that stops to listen. The more people that stop to listen the more exposure my products stand to receive through word of mouth. I also look forward to the feedback on my products. t helps me to decide if I am heading in the right direction. As a manufacturer I also know that the person that is not in position to buy today may be a customer some day. I believe that most manufacturers feel the same way as I do. So please, next time don't be afraid to belly up and give it a listen. -Jeff Wells
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:22 PM Post #518 of 955
Mr. Speakers' Ether: very attractive looking, very good comfort, and sound very good! Pricing is just about right, I think. Dan could have priced it lower to be competitive, but I think the pricing reflects his pride in his product. This is Dan's best headphone yet for sure! I didn't get to try it at Dan's table, but there was enough of this headphone around that I was able to get an idea out of multiple different systems. So much so that I know that it scales well with upstream gears, which is good! Honestly, I thought the Ether sounded essentially like a perfected HE-560. I don't think I have heard many stock headphones as refined as this, so... kudos to Dan! Well done, sir! I thought the Ether sounded more or less the same or even better than the "bad" HE-1000 that I heard. Honestly.
 
More impressions to come when I have formulated some more thoughts on them. My favorite of all of the new released products is Mr. Speakers' Ether. It's got good looks, sounds great, and is reasonably priced, plus it's backed by a nice gentleman!
 
Most underwhelming to me was the HE-1000. I expected better, given people's responses, but it was only okay. Fairly decent as a successor to the HE-6, but not worth the cash IMO.

 
Now I know what I might upgrade to in a year or 2 ! Thanks. I'd buy a B-stock pair or not at standard price but still gorgeous headphone. 
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:28 PM Post #520 of 955
     Audio shows are most importantly meant to be a celebration of our hobby and passion, as well as a vehicle to share our passion with other like minded people. Where else an we get together in one place to experience  so much of the equipment that we read about and possibly dream about some day owning for ourselves. As a manufacturer I don't exhibit solely to make a sale to everyone that stops to listen. The more people that stop to listen the more exposure my products stand to receive through word of mouth. I also look forward to the feedback on my products. t helps me to decide if I am heading in the right direction. As a manufacturer I also know that the person that is not in position to buy today may be a customer some day. I believe that most manufacturers feel the same way as I do. So please, next time don't be afraid to belly up and give it a listen. -Jeff Wells

I believe in this. My experience of the exhibitors is that they (most of them) are welcoming, friendly, and sympathetic people, who are more or less the same kind of people we are, except they manufacture gear. 
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:29 PM Post #521 of 955
I'm more surprised the Nighthawk isn't mentioned more. It seemed really musical and engaging to my ears, especially for the price. 

Yes I agree, I was hoping for more impressions and pictures of the Nighthawk.
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:37 PM Post #523 of 955
Believe me, we are there to have people experience our products and if the products are deserving, to have them tell others. As an example if you went to a car show you would never expect to see only Ford Escorts and Dodge Darts. We go to see the Ferraris, Lambos,Porsches, etc. even though 99% of us will never be able to afford any of these vehicles. Never be shy or feel guilty about experiencing all of the products at a show.-Jeff
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:38 PM Post #524 of 955
Hello, I have seen so many comments about the "Aurender girl", but I have 0 clue what this is in reference to. Is this a nickname for some audio equipment, or for a girl that was working there? If somebody could send a photo, that would help please. And I was there the whole time but I still don't know what this is too.
 
Also did anybody else get the rare chance to audition a Hifiman HE-6 headphone? I was lucky enough to audition one from a fellow head-fi'er and it was definitely one of the stars of the show with its' lush fluidic multi-layered sound that takes you deep into the listening environment. But I heard Hifiman is phasing them out! So any good amp / DAC pairing recommendations for the HE-6 would be appreciated (low budget options preferred :wink:
 
Mar 31, 2015 at 10:46 PM Post #525 of 955
Hello, I have seen so many comments about the "Aurender girl", but I have 0 clue what this is in reference to. Is this a nickname for some audio equipment, or for a girl that was working there? If somebody could send a photo, that would help please. And I was there the whole time but I still don't know what this is

From what I have read from the thread, the Aurender girl was a lass working the Aurender table, and she is from South Korea, and has been in the U.S. for only a few weeks.
 
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