To me there’s a difference in “is a headphone analytically good” and “does the headphone sound good”
Where I often get sideways on this entire headphone hobby is when critical and analytical and neutral becomes the only thing that drives people… And I’m not saying this is you specifically it’s just an overall observation that a frequency response graph doesn’t really do it for me. A headphone just has to sound good. Like, who cares if it’s accurate or whatever or neutral?
I’m aware there are extremely expensive wired headphones that I “should” like more than others or that experts with experience tell me sound great, but if I don’t like the sound, who cares. That’s it lol
This is completely not what I'm talking about in my previous post. And I don't really speaking of correct or incorrect frequency response comparing PX8 and Bathys (or 5909 or other headphones). I speaking too of my preference, for example that PX8's lacking sub-bass or having more mid-bass or little less treble, or more big soundstage in Bathys, or more clean or less clean sound, etc. making the Bathys (and 5909) MY preference.
If you like the PX8 and is making you happy a lot, this is fantastic. Some people maybe thinking that the very more cheap Sony XM3, with clearly better ANC, more big bass and more portability is many better than all this expensive headphones.
Many people that visiting this threads are looking for so much as is possible comparisons that helping in making a decision because many people can't just ordering and returning easily if not happy with the sound. Just saying "this is musical, great, the best, classy, forget the rest, and posting constantly this same view, isn't helping a lot of people and is becoming like PX8 fan club.
And about liking one headphone a lot. If you go without listening headphones for one week, any earphone or headphone will sounding fantastic. So many variables about why people saying this is great and not great, and why some people posting a lot and some people posting very little.
The advantage of graphs (not only frequency response graphs) is that they helping people understanding better how one headphone is sounding, and this isn't meaning that a good graph will making you or others people happy. For me a FR graph (and others graphs) are helping understanding better a headphone, I headphone I like or don't like. Many people don't know how interpreting a graph and quickly saying "I don't care about graphs). I repeat, when people CAN'T testing headphones in shop or easily buying and returning free, more objective comments are very helpful. And this is too why some reviewers like Tyll in the past having the many years excellent reputation they having.
Alright I've gotten to the bottom of it.
I made two audio notes, one on Bathys one on PX8, on facebook messenger. Volume level is identical and quality comparable.
Then I realised you may be using the voice memo app on iOS, so I tried that. PX8 is quiet as hell only on that app, for some reason, it also sounds garbage in terms of quality. On Instagram voice note, Fb voice note, Zoom and calls its perfectly good. Very odd compatibility issue! Although not the first time I've encountered iOS playing badly with third party BT devices..
I knew there was something going on as I was sure you were sharing your honest impressions. Was just trying to get to the bottom of it. The PX8 Mic is actually really good, it's a shame I can't download the voicenotes from fb messenger to upload here but both headphones give a great call quality.
That may well just be an assumption though. If anything half this thread seems to be people slagging off the PX/PX7 and tentatively figuring out if they want to chance the PX8.
Yes, my test with PX8 is only with audio notes app in iOS (only with Bathys I having 2 telephone calls too). Can't testing tomorrow again because I'm sending back PX8 tomorrow morning, but is good you doing this different tests. I even explaining to b&w that I'm in shock how very terrible the microphone is and that if one person of support wanting speaking with me, no probem.
Do you doing test with transparency that we speaking about before? Here you will agreeing that Bathys having better transparency except if your preference is for less volume than normal (meaning not headphone in you head) when using this mode. For me transparency MUST having at least the same volume or only little more than normal (like Bathys and APP 2) for considering this is good /very good. ML 5909 is similar like PX8, meaning not really great for me in this mode.
Since when do you need to measure frequencies to appreciate or understand music or be “experienced?”
If you find it enjoyable to sit there and measure your headphones to see how closely they conform to some line on a graph, all the more power to you, but to think that is necessary or suggest that form of objectivity is required to determine how good a pair of headphones are is narrow-minded, I think. You certainly shouldn’t need a graph to tell you if you like the sound of a pair of headphones.
Me, I am way too busy just enjoying the music out of these glorious B&W’s to be bothered.
You completely don't understand my posts or are interpreting wrong. Read my reply above to jthomp72.
This is my last comments about this topic of graphs necessary or not or about what people preferring or not in sound.
