Beyerdynamic TYGR 300R

[CTR640]

Well, that’s unfortunate... mine are on their way here... I will see if I come to the same conclusion.

Let us know when you've took the time to hear it properly.

But what is treble exactly? That's something that can get confused with sibilance? My Amiron Wireless and T5p.2 are bright and yet very silky smooth and non-fatiguing.
My DT770 on the other hand...

 

[Kammerat Rebekka]

Well, that’s unfortunate... mine are on their way here... I will see if I come to the same conclusion.

If you’re looking for a Beyer without the treble mountain, then better take a look at the new T1. It’s basically an even warmer Nighthawk for folks who found the original too bright...which is quite the u-turn for Beyerdynamic tuning-wise (and which Beyer fan is in the market for a warmer Nighthawk?). Basically the warmest headphone I’ve ever listened to.

 

[bizkid]

No way these are more aggressive in the treble than the DT990. At least not my pair. They would have been gone back to the dealer very quickly.

EDIT: Just listening to the TYGR.. going by my reference the MSR7b the TYGR is definately a darker headphone. I'd prefer more treble sparkle personally

 

[arielext]

I recently tried this headphone at a friends place. He also owns the DT990 which the Tyger is based upon.
Well all I can say is that I agree with the folks who find the Tyger warmer - it is - but most definitely NOT in the treble. The new Tyger is a tad more bassy as well as being a wee bit more laidback in the mids...but the treble? Wowza..it’s even more aggressive than the DT990! Ouch.
Folks who are treble sensitive yet still have been lead to believe that this indeed is a “fixed” DT990, look elsewhere
Also seems to make sense somehow. Most modern cans aimed at the gaming market do so with the promise of increased spatial awareness and other such tomfoolery...yet what that means is basically just a bump in the treble region somewhere around 4-6 k...and wouldn’t you know it? That’s the exact same thing Sennheiser has done with their HD560S.
Yes the new Tyger is warmer than the original DT990..sure thing..but it’s also way more piercing in the upper frequencies. I know many dig this sort of in-ya-face-treble..probably why so many adore the DT1990..and I’m not here to tell anyone that it’s ‘wrong’ or anything of the sort. I strongly believe in individual tastebuds and their right to pick what they choose...nah I’m merely here to warn the treble sensitive people

Perhaps it's the driver tolerance but my experience with these opposite from what you describe. What did you team it up with (see what I did there)?
I can imagine that a bright DAC combined with a bright amp can make these peak at 4-6 khz (bright DAC / amp = game territory).

(from DT 1990 Pro | DIY-Audio-Heaven (wordpress.com) )

 

[Kammerat Rebekka]

I do not believe in bright/warm dacs and amps. Then again I also seem to be one of the rare few here who digs to listen to gear blind
Anyhoo it was fairly easy to spot having both headphones in front of me. I’m not sure I would’ve thought the same if I merely went with my past experience with the DT990. I remember it being very bright and the Tyger seemed warmer from the get-go.
Then I heard the first cymbal crash and knew something was up.
The previous post by bizkid actually made me search for a frequency response in order to check out whether or not my ears are completely sown on backwards...and well Crinacle’s measurements seem to correspond well with what I heard..especially if one uses the graph comparison tool and pulls up the DT990 next to it.
Arh nuts the screen shot thingy won’t work - you’ll have to go see for yourselves

 

[kman1211]

I do not believe in bright/warm dacs and amps. Then again I also seem to be one of the rare few here who digs to listen to gear blind
Anyhoo it was fairly easy to spot having both headphones in front of me. I’m not sure I would’ve thought the same if I merely went with my past experience with the DT990. I remember it being very bright and the Tyger seemed warmer from the get-go.
Then I heard the first cymbal crash and knew something was up.
The previous post by bizkid actually made me search for a frequency response in order to check out whether or not my ears are completely sown on backwards...and well Crinacle’s measurements seem to correspond well with what I heard..especially if one uses the graph comparison tool and pulls up the DT990 next to it.
Arh nuts the screen shot thingy won’t work - you’ll have to go see for yourselves

I looked at Crinacle’s graphs, basically looks like a somewhat warmer DT 990 Pro with more energy in the 4-6khz region. I heard it mention before these have some treble energy.
Green(TYGR 300R) Red(DT 990 Pro)

If you’re looking for a Beyer without the treble mountain, then better take a look at the new T1. It’s basically an even warmer Nighthawk for folks who found the original too bright...which is quite the u-turn for Beyerdynamic tuning-wise (and which Beyer fan is in the market for a warmer Nighthawk?). Basically the warmest headphone I’ve ever listened to.

I agree the T1.3 is a warmer and also more resolving Nighthawk and I love it for that. I may be one of the weird Beyer fans that enjoys the u-turn in the tuning of the T1.3.

 

[Kammerat Rebekka]

I owned and absolutely adored the Nighthawk...if I refrained from listening to any other of my headphones that is In that way it reminds me of the Ultrasone HFI-2400 I’d owned previously in that they both, T1 likewise, exhibit a tuning so unique and dark that it ended up sounding ‘off’ - or at the very least like a chore having to readjust to an unusual sound signature every time I reached for the Hawk/Zone. If I was one of those ‘one can to rule them all’ kinda fellas I could indeed see myself with a dark flavoured headphone. I’d probably stay with my HE500 though as I need my mids a little more up front

 

[bizkid]

Maybe i'm less sensitive to that peak, i'm not hearing it. Also from that measurement the bass and mids are pretty much identical so i can't really explain your impressions about the bass and mids being different to the DT990. You heard them different while they aren't.. so i can't really judge what you heard about the treble too.

 

[Kammerat Rebekka]

They’re not identical though The bass and low mids are warmer over the Tyger whilst the DT990 has more presence up through the mids.

 

[bizkid]

The TYGR has more lower mids/upper bass and there is a difference of 2-3db at 1khz which evens out above and below. Not much in my opinion, especially for the mids. Also take in mind the unit to unit variation, unlike Sennheiser which are very consistent, Beyerdynamic does not have the best history in that area. Anyway i'm curious if Beyerdynamic will ever update their golden sellers the DT770/880/990 with different tunings. Probably better to bring out complementary headphones like the TYGR. I want to see a DT880 TYGR

 

[jsmiller58]

Well, this is going to be interesting... The 1990 and I did not get along as the treble was just a bit too strong. Loved them to bits otherwise. I can’t really tell from Crinnacle’s graphs - the treble peaks are in different locations. Hmmm... mine are arriving on Friday. Will just have to put this out of my mind and wait till I experience them.

 

[bizkid]

My very short comparison - TYGR vs DT880 (250 Ohm):

Obviously more treble on the DT880 thus it sounds more airy
Upper mids are peaky on the DT880 and it annoys me a bit
The DT880 is just a little bit more transparent and cleaner in the mids, much less so than i expected.
TYGR is superior on low to mid volumes. DT880 sounds extremly lifeless at low volumes.
TYGR has more natural vocals even though they might measure more recessed
Imaging is a bit blurry on the DT880, TYGR more precise. This also helps to give the DT880 an "airy" presence.
Imaging overall sounds "better" to me on the TYGR. DMS said it has Speaker like imaging (not soundstage) but i wouldn't go that far.
TYGR has more depth and less of a 3 blob soundstage
Overall detail and resolving abilities are the same for both (there's room for improvement).
Both have a bit of a brittle thin treble when coming from higher end headphones.

Hope that helps a little bit.

 

[jsmiller58]

Just got the Tygr 300 r today. Very, very rough impressions... will try to do some serious listening over the next few days and compare to other headphones...

Build... well, they are not your standard Beyerdynamic tanks. Light, feel a little cheap. But for the price they are not bad. I am ok with the orange cups, but the logo could go. I really wish the cable wasn’t attached. The ear pad openings are good diameter for my larger ears, but the depth... well the tips of my ears are touching the drivers. These are felt covered (the drivers, not my ears... sheesh...) so not really uncomfortable, but very distracting. Will need to find some deeper earpads... but I rarely have luck with pad rolling as headphone sound usually (but not always) gets worse for me with pad rolling.

Driveability... these take some power. Out of my LG v30 I have to literally drive at full volume and even then they were not super loud. You’ll want an amp of some sort. They were driven well by my 789 amp, but on low gain I was already at 2:30 on the volume knob to get decent volume. Will have to try some of my dongles and BT receivers (BTR5 and Qudelix 5K) to see if I can get more power on the go. Really wish the cable wasn’t attached so I could replace with balanced cable.

Sound... These have decent bass, with warm mids. As the graphs would indicate there is some zing in the treble, but NOWHERE the ice pick to the ears of some other Beyers (I am looking at you, DT 1990 Pro)... I think I may have detected some graininess in the treble but that could have been the recordings. Sound is where I will need to spend a little time exploring.

Where will they fit in my collection? Well I already have some decent headphones for when I am sitting at different listening stations around the house (Eikon, Elex, CX, AFC, Sundara). I already have some decent portable headphones (Panda). Some headphones that don’t fit in (Phantom for the sound signature, Ora GrapheneQ for the fit). Others that I use primarily for work conference calls (Vokyl Erupt with the Dekoni Fenestrated Sheepskin pads they should have originally shipped with and now actually sound pretty good). These might be my knock around open backs for just wandering around the house if I can drive them better than out of my phone. Don’t judge me. I bet 80% of folks reading this have more headphones than I do.

These are not giant killers. Not by a long shot. These or my Elex? My Elex any day, and twice on Sundays. But they are also not bad, and actually pleasing (with the caveat of the earpad depth and difficulty to drive).

OK, keep or return? I think I will keep them, but that will hinge on (a) finding deeper pads that don’t ruin the sound, and (b) finding a portable sound source that can drive them better than my phone.

 

[jsmiller58]

Does anyone have any suggestions for thicker pads that fit Beyers?

 

[arielext]

With tygr I like the fenestrated dekoni pads.