Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1

[iponderous]

^ Are you still here?

 

[ast]

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I would say the T-1s and the 880s share the same sound signature.
 
If someone doesn't like the sound signature of an 880s, they probably won't like the T-1s either. 
 
But, I like my '03 880s and I don't dislike the upgraded version, the T-1s, I'm just disappointed that they not better than they are..... especially for the money.
 

Just sold my 880 a couple of months ago and have had T1 since.  I have to say there is some true in upstateguy's assessment of T1.   No doubt T1 is much better than 880 especially in bass impact and neutrality,  but it does seem sharing similar sound signature with 880.

 

[Skylab]

For me the difference is this.  The T1 does have a somewhat similar TONAL signature to the DT880/600 (although not identical).  But the soundstaging is quite different, and the T1's are MUCH more transparent than the DT880.  MUCH.  So it's not the tonality that is so different - but the level of refinement.

 

[MacedonianHero]

 

My Lincon quote was tit for tat to your quote, no more no less, and I would like to assume that both were said in relative jest since we are all  in this hobby together.  Eh?
 
Where we differ is in your subjectiveness. 
 
I don't understand what it means to "get" a headphone.  And since you seem to be serious, can explain what you mean?
 
USG

Simple definition, if you get something, you like it and if you don't, well you don't like it. Nothing offensive here, unlike your comments.

 

[MacedonianHero]

Perfect example, I don't get why so many Head-goers like any of the Monster IEMs. For me they are bloated and way overpriced. Nothing more and nothing less .

 

[upstateguy]

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For me the difference is this.  The T1 does have a somewhat similar TONAL signature to the DT880/600 (although not identical).  But the soundstaging is quite different, and the T1's are MUCH more transparent than the DT880.  MUCH.  So it's not the tonality that is so different - but the level of refinement.

I would have to agree with you.  It looks like Beyer took the best of the 880, angled and repositioned the drivers  and engineered the ear cups to give much more soundstage.  A side effect of this, however, is for reasons unknown, a reduced bass.  If you take your 880s and angle the drivers in like they are in the T-1 you can get an idea of how the T-1 was developed, (accompanied by similar amount of bass reduction because the ear cups are slightly lifted in the back).
 
Another thing I don't care for with the T-1s is that they are not very good for the low level listening I usually do.  When I turn down the volume, the mids fade out, disproportionately to the top and the already sparse bottom diminishes even further, throwing off the tonal balance it had at higher volumes.  The other thing I don't care for with low level listening is a seemingly exaggerated sense of dynamic range which also disappears at higher volumes. What I mean is that the quieter sounds become difficult to hear and the louder sounds are a little too pronounced.  The balance is restored as you increase the volume but I never noticed this with the 650s or 880s.  Maybe you could say something about dynamic range, but I don't think they have it ironed out yet.
 
Is the T-1 better than my trusty old  '03 880?  Sure, but not at 5x the cost.  I know I keep harping on the price but I feel the T-1 is way out of line for what it offers. For instance, a GS-1 offers a similar improvements in detail, and transparency over a 2 box M^3, but it adds a host of features and is only twice the cost of a basic Rockhopper.
 
USG

 

[upstateguy]

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Simple definition, if you get something, you like it and if you don't, well you don't like it. Nothing offensive here, unlike your comments.

 
OK, I see what you mean, you're using the word "get" as a replacement for "like",  but generally if  "you don't get something", (as in, 'many don't get the K701s'), it implies a lack of understanding of an idea, concept, or perhaps, joke that needs to be explained, so you do "get it".
 
I don't know why you're going on about my Lincoln quote,  It was said in the same style as your quote.
 
USG

 

[upstateguy]

 
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Perfect example, I don't get why so many Head-goers like any of the Monster IEMs. For me they are bloated and way overpriced. Nothing more and nothing less .

LOL, I "get" your colloquialism, but in this particular usage it implies 'understanding'.  If we were to switch 'get' and 'like' around as though they were synonyms the statement would read: I don't like why so many Head-goers get any of the Monster IEMs.
 
Regarding your reference to Monster IEMs, "I don't get why so many Head-goers like any of the Monster IEMs.For me they are bloated and way overpriced", one might easily agree with you by saying, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." 
 
USG

 

[iponderous]

 

^ You've conveyed your disappointment regarding the T1's performance in a number of posts. I'm wondering what your motivation is for continuing to post in this thread, apart from baiting others who don't share your view and attempting to score cheap points.   
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[Mogul]

Has anyone had a chance to try the T1 powered with a Headroom Desktop or Desktop Ultra? Trying to decide on an amp in the $1000 to $1500 range to replace my Gilmore Lite. Thanks!

 

[Shahrose]

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^ You've conveyed your disappointment regarding the T1's performance in a number of posts. I'm wondering what your motivation is for continuing to post in this thread, apart from baiting others who don't share your view and attempting to score cheap points.   
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I don't think that's what he's trying to do. He's not doing anything wrong by sharing his assessment. After all, this isn't an appreciation thread where only positive opinions are allowed.
Personally, I think negative impressions are more helpful than the positive ones. They point out the (potential) weaknesses of the equipment in question.

 

[upstateguy]

 
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I don't think that's what he's trying to do. He's not doing anything wrong by sharing his assessment. After all, this isn't an appreciation thread where only positive opinions are allowed.
Personally, I think negative impressions are more helpful than the positive ones. They point out the (potential) weaknesses of the equipment in question.

 
Hey Shahrose
 
That guy's a troll, just ignore him.
 
But here's some interesting news.  After spending a ton of time with my GS-1 and M^3, I took the Woo3 from my music computer and fired it up in the laptop test rig I'm using to evaluate the T-1.  You don't even want to know how good it sounds.  Nice sparkly highs and deep clear lows.  Great tone and instrument sound.  Real accurate vocals and goose bump cymbals. Lots of depth, air, and layers.  Better than the M^3 by a number of clicks, (but the Woo3 was always better than the M^3 so I don't know why I'm surprised) and for this phone, better than the GS-1 too. The Woo doesn't have quite the resolution of the GS-1, but there's nothing fuzzy or veiled about it and it really fleshes out these cans with more depth than either of he other two amps.  I didn't want to deal with another tube amp, but now I'm not sure. 
 
We'll see how long this new found entheusiasm lasts. 

If it does maybe a Woo2 is in my future.....  

 
This post doesn't mean that all of a sudden the T-1 has become more than an upgraded 880.  It just means that I found an amp it works well with. 

 
USG
 
(the moral of this story is just when you think you've got it figured out, you don't)  LOL
 
Edit to say, who'd a thunk it?   

 

[Shahrose]

Interesting...there are some people who've been vocal about the synergistic pairing of the T1 with tubes in this thread so I'm not too surprised with your findings.

 

[upstateguy]

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Interesting...there are some people who've been vocal about the synergistic pairing of the T1 with tubes in this thread so I'm not too surprised with your findings.

My preference is not necessarily for any tube amp, but one of the Woo amps.  I always felt that the Woo amps don't sound tuby at all and in fact sound more like good solid states.  Anyway, there's room for improvement here, but I can hear the potential,  and a move up the Woo food chain seems to be in order. 

 
USG

 

[GreatDane]

My Woo 3 has been patiently waiting for my T1(on order) for 9 weeks.  

 
 
...lots of this

going on.