Beyerdynamic Amiron Home (the new T90)
Oct 3, 2022 at 9:46 PM Post #2,281 of 2,668
So the Amiron home and DT 1990 act as complimentary headphones with one being dark and other being bright V-shaped?
Yes I would say they are complimentary to each other. I wouldn't necessarily describe the DT1990 as V shaped just more energetic and forceful while the Amiron is smoother in presentation. The Amiron is not really dark either as it does have some elevated highs. It's just more laid back. Think of it as HD650ish with better bass and highs and much better sound stage.

The DT1990 is kind of like a planar in that it is very fast with lots of detail. The Amiron has plenty of detail also its just not pushed to the forefront like the DT1990. Its there its just presented in a smoother, more laid back fashion.
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 9:49 PM Post #2,282 of 2,668
Yes I would say they are complimentary to each other. I wouldn't necessarily describe the DT1990 as V shaped just more energetic and forceful while the Amiron is smoother in presentation. The Amiron is not really dark either as it does have some elevated highs. It's just more laid back. Think of it as HD650ish with better bass and highs and much better sound stage.

The DT1990 is kind of like a planar in that it is very fast with lots of detail. The Amiron has plenty of detail also its just not pushed to the forefront like the DT1990. Its there its just presented in a smoother, more laid back fashion.
What's a V shaped headphone you would recommend in the 660/Amiron price range?
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 10:34 PM Post #2,283 of 2,668
What's a V shaped headphone you would recommend in the 660/Amiron price range?
V shaped phones are not really my thing as to my ears most of the music is in the mids. As such I gravitate towards phones with more of a mid presence (must have good bass and highs also).

Having said that some phones that I commonly see described as V shaped and not too expensive are the DT770, DT990, and Phillips Fidelio X2HR. I had the Fidelio X1 and I would describe it as u shaped. I really liked that phone. I gave it to my stepson for gaming purposes.
 
Oct 4, 2022 at 2:01 AM Post #2,284 of 2,668
The Amiron is also V-shaped. The difference in delivery, aggressive versus relaxed, cannot be read of a frequency response graph.

The Amiron can also suffer from siblance. From the top of my head it accentuates the low end of the V whereas the DT1990 accentuates the treble, if you thought of it like an “italic V”
 
Oct 4, 2022 at 2:21 AM Post #2,285 of 2,668
The Amiron is also V-shaped. The difference in delivery, aggressive versus relaxed, cannot be read of a frequency response graph.

The Amiron can also suffer from siblance. From the top of my head it accentuates the low end of the V whereas the DT1990 accentuates the treble, if you thought of it like an “italic V”
I agree it’s just a V-shape that’s focused on the low end and yes it’s more on the gentle side. Just as the DT 1990 is on the aggressive side. The DT 1990 with balanced pads is more on the v-shaped side. With analytical pads it becomes more of a neutral bright. The T1.2 is also on the v-shaped side but not quite as much as the Amiron Home and it’s also on the softer side like the Amiron. The T1.3 is sorta balanced between soft and aggressive though maybe a tad on the aggressive side and also a bit v-shaped with even more low-end focus.

Resolution wise, both the T1.2 and T1.3 have a bit of an edge over the Amiron/DT 1990 with a bit more solidity, control, and detail on their sound. It’s not huge but it’s noticeable if you’ve spent enough time with all those headphones. But honestly you should expect that with their price premium over the Amiron Home.
 
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Oct 4, 2022 at 10:11 AM Post #2,287 of 2,668
I don't find the DT1990, Amiron, or T1.2 to be v shaped to my ears but I use all of them on tube amps with tubes that tend to accent the mids. I also use Dekoni Elite Velour pads exclusively on the DT1990. The Dekoni pads help tame the peakiness in the highs and gives it a more even frequency response. I guess it just goes to show we all hear things differently and associated equipment can also make a difference.
 
Oct 4, 2022 at 10:36 AM Post #2,288 of 2,668
I don't find the DT1990, Amiron, or T1.2 to be v shaped to my ears but I use all of them on tube amps with tubes that tend to accent the mids. I also use Dekoni Elite Velour pads exclusively on the DT1990. The Dekoni pads help tame the peakiness in the highs and gives it a more even frequency response. I guess it just goes to show we all hear things differently and associated equipment can also make a difference.
It’s mostly because of the system they’re on and some hearing differences. The treble can be tamed without much issue and the quality is such it doesn’t really bother me to begin with. Tesla Beyers respond very nicely to tubes, etc. And I found I can meld a Tesla Beyer to my tastes easier than most other headphones, they just respond so nicely to system changes. I only found the DT 1990 what I considered v-shaped with the balanced pads. No idea what the DT 1990 sounds like with the Dekoni pads.
 
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Oct 4, 2022 at 5:10 PM Post #2,289 of 2,668
Yes I would say they are complimentary to each other. I wouldn't necessarily describe the DT1990 as V shaped just more energetic and forceful while the Amiron is smoother in presentation. The Amiron is not really dark either as it does have some elevated highs. It's just more laid back. Think of it as HD650ish with better bass and highs and much better sound stage.

The DT1990 is kind of like a planar in that it is very fast with lots of detail. The Amiron has plenty of detail also its just not pushed to the forefront like the DT1990. Its there its just presented in a smoother, more laid back fashion.

That's a very good description, thanks. I immediately can tell how each sounds like more or less :)
 
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Oct 4, 2022 at 9:17 PM Post #2,290 of 2,668
I did a comparison between the Amiron and the DT 1990 back in 2020 in another thread. I will copy and paste what I posted here.

In terms of sub bass, both headphones are about equal. With the mid bass, the Amiron is more elevated. When using the DT1990 with the analytical pads, it does not have any mid bass bump at all. It is rather flat across the entire bass range up to the lower mids. With the balanced pads, there is certainly a hump there. I am not a fan of a mid bass hump on a headphone. I really dislike when mid bass bleeds into the mids on a headphone. I will always EQ this down on a headphone which has it with stock tuning. Even when comparing with the balanced pads though, the Amiron mid bass is still higher and broader in its elevation than the 1990. It bleeds into the lower mids more. Overall, the DT1990 has a faster, tighter, and more engaging bass. It has fast decay in the lower bass frequencies, and is not boomy at all. Both headphones need a mid bass reduction to sound correct though (if using the balanced pads on the 1990). With the analytical pads, the mid bass on the 1990 is completely flat. The bass on the Amiron is warmer and softer across the range. It has a bit of a loose character to its presentation. Keep in mine I am comparing the Amiron against the 1990 with the balanced pads though.

With the mids, the Amiron is more layed back. It is recessed in the mids, partially from that heavy mid bass hump that bleeds in. The Amiron is recessed from 1kHz to 5kHz. Vocals are layed back, and not harsh at all. All of the detail is there. Instrument location is correct. The soundstage is vast, and imaging is excellent. The Amiron offers all kinds of details in the music that most other warm headphones just do not produce. It really is a unique headphone. With the mids being recessed though, there is a sense of distance between you and instruments, as well as the vocals. Nothing in the music is up front at all. The Amiron is not designed to offer a dynamic and energetic listening experience. It is all about sitting back with a quality beverage and enjoying a relaxing listen with the music of your choice.

With the DT1990, the mids are a tiny bit recessed, but only just slightly. Instruments are more defined and up front. Vocals are not layed back. They are right in the center of your head. Imaging is pinpoint, and extremely accurate. Like the Amiron, the DT1990 also reveals all kinds of details in music, but it does so with even more focus. It demands your attention. Soundstage on the DT1990 is slightly less wide than the Amiron. The 1990 is certainly not narrow though. In exchange for it being not quite as vast as the Amiron, it gives you a more focused and realistic presentation. Instruments on the DT 1990 have better separation and layering. The Amiron is already good at detail retrieval. The 1990 pushes this a step forward. Nothing in the music is able to hide from you.

Regarding the treble, as we all know, the Amiron is certainly more layed back. It is not a bright headphone at all. The treble response is clean, non-fatiguing, and organic. This is a headphone that you can listen to for hours. In my opinion, it could use a little more extension in the upper treble. It is slightly rolled off in the highest frequencies. This is a headphone that you can easily turn up and get blasting because it just has a relaxing sound signature. I can not imagine anyone claiming this headphone is bright or piercing. If that is the case, the person needs to get their hearing checked.

With the DT1990, the treble is more detailed. It is certainly brighter as well, and not layed back. It is a bit too bright between 6-10kHz. As a result though, every detail that is present in music is exposed. Just like the Amiron does, the DT1990 also exposes clicks, distortion, pops, sighs, bangs, echos, grain, and any other defect that is present in recordings. The difference between it and the Amiron in this regard is that the 1990 will not ever leave you guessing if you just heard something. You will immediately say "wow, I have never heard that popping sound there before, or that thumping noise in the last track". From top to bottom in the frequency response of this headphone, the 1990 just hammers you with details.

My genres are hard rock and heavy metal. For this type of music, I think the DT1990 is the better headphone. The reason for this, is because it just attacks the music. It pulls all the detail out of it. Instead of the headphone saying " I am going to let the artist show you what is on the album", the headphone says "hey artist, you sit back, and let me show the listener myself". Guitars are engaging, and have a nice bite to them. Instruments sound layered, and details are pushed forward. It is a real toe tapper of a headphone for heavy styles of music. The thing is though, for anyone who has not heard either headphone, I actually recommend both headphones, unless you have a specific sound you want. If you want a headphone that has pinpoint imaging, is engaging, and has up front detail retrieval, the DT1990 is a great choice. If you want a more relaxing listen, where you want a sound which is reminiscent of listening to vinyl, then the Amiron is a great choice. If you want both of these experiences, then I recommend both headphones.
 
Oct 4, 2022 at 9:20 PM Post #2,291 of 2,668
I will say though, that after owning and selling both headphones, if I had to pick again, I would go with the Amiron. The DT 1990 Pro just became too tiring after extended listening sessions because of the 6-10kHz brightness.
 
Oct 5, 2022 at 4:28 AM Post #2,292 of 2,668
I agree it’s just a V-shape that’s focused on the low end and yes it’s more on the gentle side. Just as the DT 1990 is on the aggressive side. The DT 1990 with balanced pads is more on the v-shaped side. With analytical pads it becomes more of a neutral bright. The T1.2 is also on the v-shaped side but not quite as much as the Amiron Home and it’s also on the softer side like the Amiron. The T1.3 is sorta balanced between soft and aggressive though maybe a tad on the aggressive side and also a bit v-shaped with even more low-end focus.

Resolution wise, both the T1.2 and T1.3 have a bit of an edge over the Amiron/DT 1990 with a bit more solidity, control, and detail on their sound. It’s not huge but it’s noticeable if you’ve spent enough time with all those headphones. But honestly you should expect that with their price premium over the Amiron Home.
Agree with this. The T1 models are definitely that step up. It's difficult to go back after using the T1.2 (with well paired kit, otherwise it can get bright... I'm looking at you Schiit Jotunheim).

For anyone that likes the 1990 and T1.2, the next step up is the Fostex TH909. Amazing with a Mojo 2 (doesn't need insanely expensive amp pairings). Pretty much my endgame.
 
Oct 5, 2022 at 9:21 AM Post #2,293 of 2,668
Agree with this. The T1 models are definitely that step up. It's difficult to go back after using the T1.2 (with well paired kit, otherwise it can get bright... I'm looking at you Schiit Jotunheim).

For anyone that likes the 1990 and T1.2, the next step up is the Fostex TH909. Amazing with a Mojo 2 (doesn't need insanely expensive amp pairings). Pretty much my endgame.
When the T1’s have a good system it does get more noticeable. The T1.3 while it has some benefits over the T1.2 it’s more of a side grade as it’s a different sound signature and it’s low impedance is a point of contention among T1 fans. I personally prefer the sound of the Gen 3 over the Gen 2 though. Currently the Amiron Home is the closest thing from Beyer to the T1.2 sound signature wise. The DT 1990 with analytical pads reminded me a bit more of the T1.1, but the DT 1990 doesn’t have the laser like imaging of the Gen 1.

I haven’t had a chance to hear the TH909 but have been curious about as I did like the TH900 and curious how they changed it.
 
Oct 5, 2022 at 2:48 PM Post #2,294 of 2,668
I did a comparison between the Amiron and the DT 1990 back in 2020 in another thread. I will copy and paste what I posted here.

In terms of sub bass, both headphones are about equal. With the mid bass, the Amiron is more elevated. When using the DT1990 with the analytical pads, it does not have any mid bass bump at all. It is rather flat across the entire bass range up to the lower mids. With the balanced pads, there is certainly a hump there. I am not a fan of a mid bass hump on a headphone. I really dislike when mid bass bleeds into the mids on a headphone. I will always EQ this down on a headphone which has it with stock tuning. Even when comparing with the balanced pads though, the Amiron mid bass is still higher and broader in its elevation than the 1990. It bleeds into the lower mids more. Overall, the DT1990 has a faster, tighter, and more engaging bass. It has fast decay in the lower bass frequencies, and is not boomy at all. Both headphones need a mid bass reduction to sound correct though (if using the balanced pads on the 1990). With the analytical pads, the mid bass on the 1990 is completely flat. The bass on the Amiron is warmer and softer across the range. It has a bit of a loose character to its presentation. Keep in mine I am comparing the Amiron against the 1990 with the balanced pads though.

With the mids, the Amiron is more layed back. It is recessed in the mids, partially from that heavy mid bass hump that bleeds in. The Amiron is recessed from 1kHz to 5kHz. Vocals are layed back, and not harsh at all. All of the detail is there. Instrument location is correct. The soundstage is vast, and imaging is excellent. The Amiron offers all kinds of details in the music that most other warm headphones just do not produce. It really is a unique headphone. With the mids being recessed though, there is a sense of distance between you and instruments, as well as the vocals. Nothing in the music is up front at all. The Amiron is not designed to offer a dynamic and energetic listening experience. It is all about sitting back with a quality beverage and enjoying a relaxing listen with the music of your choice.

With the DT1990, the mids are a tiny bit recessed, but only just slightly. Instruments are more defined and up front. Vocals are not layed back. They are right in the center of your head. Imaging is pinpoint, and extremely accurate. Like the Amiron, the DT1990 also reveals all kinds of details in music, but it does so with even more focus. It demands your attention. Soundstage on the DT1990 is slightly less wide than the Amiron. The 1990 is certainly not narrow though. In exchange for it being not quite as vast as the Amiron, it gives you a more focused and realistic presentation. Instruments on the DT 1990 have better separation and layering. The Amiron is already good at detail retrieval. The 1990 pushes this a step forward. Nothing in the music is able to hide from you.

Regarding the treble, as we all know, the Amiron is certainly more layed back. It is not a bright headphone at all. The treble response is clean, non-fatiguing, and organic. This is a headphone that you can listen to for hours. In my opinion, it could use a little more extension in the upper treble. It is slightly rolled off in the highest frequencies. This is a headphone that you can easily turn up and get blasting because it just has a relaxing sound signature. I can not imagine anyone claiming this headphone is bright or piercing. If that is the case, the person needs to get their hearing checked.

With the DT1990, the treble is more detailed. It is certainly brighter as well, and not layed back. It is a bit too bright between 6-10kHz. As a result though, every detail that is present in music is exposed. Just like the Amiron does, the DT1990 also exposes clicks, distortion, pops, sighs, bangs, echos, grain, and any other defect that is present in recordings. The difference between it and the Amiron in this regard is that the 1990 will not ever leave you guessing if you just heard something. You will immediately say "wow, I have never heard that popping sound there before, or that thumping noise in the last track". From top to bottom in the frequency response of this headphone, the 1990 just hammers you with details.

My genres are hard rock and heavy metal. For this type of music, I think the DT1990 is the better headphone. The reason for this, is because it just attacks the music. It pulls all the detail out of it. Instead of the headphone saying " I am going to let the artist show you what is on the album", the headphone says "hey artist, you sit back, and let me show the listener myself". Guitars are engaging, and have a nice bite to them. Instruments sound layered, and details are pushed forward. It is a real toe tapper of a headphone for heavy styles of music. The thing is though, for anyone who has not heard either headphone, I actually recommend both headphones, unless you have a specific sound you want. If you want a headphone that has pinpoint imaging, is engaging, and has up front detail retrieval, the DT1990 is a great choice. If you want a more relaxing listen, where you want a sound which is reminiscent of listening to vinyl, then the Amiron is a great choice. If you want both of these experiences, then I recommend both headphones.

Awesome, that is VERY useful. Thanks :beerchug:
 
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