Best IEM tips?
Mar 17, 2024 at 7:34 AM Post #3,106 of 3,245
Guys, I'm thinking of buying the Final Audio Type-E, but some stores sell it with very high shipping and some models do not have

That's why I found them on Aliexpress, but I don't know if these are counterfeit? :thinking:

Has anyone had experience buying them from that page?:thinking:
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006319876792.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006166533901.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006035982201.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005913275650.html?channel=twinner
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Mar 17, 2024 at 7:46 AM Post #3,107 of 3,245
Guys, I'm thinking of buying the Final Audio Type-E, but some stores sell it with very high shipping and some models do not have

That's why I found them on Aliexpress, but I don't know if these are counterfeit? :thinking:

Has anyone had experience buying them from that page?:thinking:
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006319876792.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006166533901.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006035982201.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005913275650.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005984833000.html?channel=twinner

Pro tip (no pun intended) - go buy a Final E500. It costs $20 USD but comes with a set of Final E tips, which by themselves retail for around $15. So it is like getting the Final E tips + an IEM for 5 bucks more.

BTW, the E500 is quite a nice warm neutral set, thick note weight with natural timbre. Not the most technical, but has good imaging and soundstage for binaural tracks, videos and gaming.
 
Mar 17, 2024 at 9:30 AM Post #3,108 of 3,245
Guys, I'm thinking of buying the Final Audio Type-E, but some stores sell it with very high shipping and some models do not have

That's why I found them on Aliexpress, but I don't know if these are counterfeit? :thinking:

Has anyone had experience buying them from that page?:thinking:
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006319876792.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006166533901.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006035982201.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005913275650.html?channel=twinner
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005984833000.html?channel=twinner
If you have to use AliExpress that first shop is legit. "Infiter" or whatever it's called.
 
Mar 18, 2024 at 11:47 AM Post #3,110 of 3,245
Mar 21, 2024 at 8:40 AM Post #3,111 of 3,245
I personally use almost only CP145 S and W1 SS. I tried a lot of other ear tips but these just are the most comfy for me. Cant for the love of god hear a difference between eartips. But thats probably me
 
Mar 21, 2024 at 1:50 PM Post #3,112 of 3,245
These are the tips i want to try out, have i missed anything?

https://www.audioreviews.org/guide-to-iem-silicone-eartips/ - great site about finding new tips and reviews. :)

Divinius velvets
Symbio W
Penon Liqueur
Dunu SS
Final audio type E
Moondrop springtips
Spinfit CP100
Spinfit W1
Spinfit omni
Azla SednaEarfit XELASTEC
Tangzu Tang Sancai
Tangzu Tang Sancai wide bore
Dekoni bulletz mercury
Dekoni bulletz gemini
JVC Spiral Dots
kbear 07
dunu candy
Zeos render tips
FiiO HS19
FiiO HS18
TRN T eartips
DDHiFi ST35
Azla sednaearfit vivid edition
Azla sednaearfit crystal
Divinius velvets
render tips
Azla sednaearfit short
KZ foam eartips
BGVP W01
TRI clarion
Whizzer ET100
Sony EP-TC50
S400 eartips
Pentaconn coreir brass
Spinfits cp240
spinfit cp800
Sony EP-NI1000M
Eletech Baroque
earrbon hybrid metal
marunana eartips
Azla sedearfit max
Kiwi Ears Flex Ear Tips
 
Mar 21, 2024 at 7:47 PM Post #3,114 of 3,245
The rule of thumb is wider bore = less bass amplitude, which then results in clearer perception of mids and treble.

Other way around is it not?, wide bore has more bass response according to Symphonium audio as they tested a bunch of tips on their range of iem’s and recommend the following (copy/pasted from their website, I use wide bore on my symphonium meteor and with my 7hz Zero 2

1. Insertion Depth and Fit

With a deep fit, a listener will hear treble more tamed; while with a shallow fit, a listener will hear treble as more aggressive and forward. Manufacturers will design the shell (and how deep it should optimally fit) based on the way they tune the IEM.

Some brands choose to design their earphones to fit shallower, while other brands may opt for a deeper fit. There is no wrong or right here! It depends on what the manufacturer sets out to do.
For example, shallow-fit IEMs tend to feel more comfortable at the expense of less security within the ear. Or, it could be that they just prefer tuning IEMs with a shallow fit!

At Symphonium, we design and account for our IEMs to be worn deep-fitted. This allows us to fit complex crossovers and proprietary acoustic designs within our shells. We also value the feeling of security as we move around, whether for walks or during commutes. Most importantly, we find that treble quality is enhanced with a deeper fit. Using our IEMs with a shallow fit will cause the treble to sound unintendedly forward and the IEM will also feel less secure within your ears.

In addition, some listeners may have a collection of different ear-tip designs to best enhance the sound qualities of their IEMs. Ear-tips with a wider bore size smooth out treble response while tips with a narrow bore size tend to cause treble response to sound peakier and sharper. Which ear-tip you use is entirely based on your own preference; find the best mix of comfort and sound quality.

We tune our IEMs with wider-bore ear-tips for a smooth, whilst extended treble response.

However, that does not mean our IEMs do not synergise well with narrow-bore ear-tips. We’ve received feedback from some of our customers indicating that they prefer the sound of our IEMs with narrow-bore ear-tips!

I have a question for all you fine people perusing this thread. Do any of you ventilate your tips?
I feel like I'm the only one who does. Unvented IEMs drive me crazy, so I solved it by making small perforations and cuts to tips to give air pathways to equalize. I don't see anyone else mention doing anything like this though, makes me feel like I'm a crazy hermit here lol.

Surely if you cut your tips you will not be able to get an airtight seal?, iem’s rely on an airtight seal so that the molecules of air in your ear canal can be pressurised thus transmitting the vibrations of the iem transducer to the ear drum, air pressure will always take the path of least resistance which in this case will be out of the perforated/cut section.
 
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Mar 21, 2024 at 9:15 PM Post #3,115 of 3,245
Other way around is it not?, wide bore has more bass response according to Symphonium audio as they tested a bunch of tips on their range of iem’s and recommend the following (copy/pasted from their website, I use wide bore on my symphonium meteor and with my 7hz Zero 2
Not in my experience, though admittedly, I'm pretty new to IEMs. Narrow bore tips almost always sound fuller in the low end. Wide bore tips sound much brighter to my ear. But like I said, I'm new to this and may have it backwards.
 
Mar 21, 2024 at 10:19 PM Post #3,116 of 3,245
@Somafunk
My reasoning is that of acoustic impedance. Acoustic energy attenuates according to the inverse square law, so the surface area of the medium affects the amplitude of the signal. The velocity of the air also increases due to the increased density of the air in comparison to the air past the nozzle bore. So more of the energy is maintained due to the reduced capacitance of narrow bore tips.

As for venting tips, yes the seal is no longer airtight, so a slight amount of pressure does get lost in comparison if the unvented tip is seated just right with an unvented IEM. However, venting tips allows unvented IEMs to be more consistent with fit because driver flex and unequalized air pressure causing increased acoustic resistance become a non-factor. I also think it sounds better because some constructive phase interference is attenuated, making the resulting sound a bit cleaner in comparison.

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With a deep fit, a listener will hear treble more tamed; while with a shallow fit, a listener will hear treble as more aggressive and forward
This is not quite as simple as how they describe it here IMO. A deep vs shallow fit does change the character of the treble response, but it depends on how the ear canal is structured due to how sensitive treble is to phase differentials from reflections and the resulting comb filtering. The results are thus stochastic at the moment, you'll get constructive and destructive interference at different parts of the FR, but unnatural sounding resonances are bound to happen the more ear canal you ignore.
 
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Mar 21, 2024 at 10:52 PM Post #3,117 of 3,245
@Somafunk
My reasoning is that of acoustic impedance. Acoustic energy attenuates according to the inverse square law, so the surface area of the medium affects the amplitude of the signal. The velocity of the air also increases due to the increased density of the air in comparison to the air past the nozzle bore. So more of the energy is maintained due to the reduced capacitance of narrow bore tips.
Makes sense. Sometimes wave mechanics still surprises me in how consistent it is at large scales (air) and small (electricity). By the same principle, wouldn't the length of the bore and/or the IEM stem similarly affect frequency response?

As for venting tips, yes the seal is no longer airtight, so a slight amount of pressure does get lost in comparison if the unvented tip is seated just right with an unvented IEM. However, venting tips allows unvented IEMs to be more consistent with fit because driver flex and unequalized air pressure causing increased acoustic resistance become a non-factor. I also think it sounds better because some constructive phase interference is attenuated, making the resulting sound a bit cleaner in comparison.
Are there any tips that do this out of the box? Or do they all universally aim for an airtight seal? I've been trying to get the seal to feel right on my unvented set (Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite), but can't quite find it. Tried many different tips, and some sound great, but the tight seal makes them uncomfortable to wear for too long.

EDIT: I wonder if this is the solution I've been looking for. I've found a width big enough to keep from falling out (14mm), so I know I've got the size right at least. After going through so many different tips, I've got more than a few extra lying around that I'd be willing to sacrifice to the effort. Any guides (or guidance) on how to do it properly? I've never heard of this.
 
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Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 PM Post #3,118 of 3,245
Makes sense. Sometimes wave mechanics still surprises me in how consistent it is at large scales (air) and small (electricity). By the same principle, wouldn't the length of the bore and/or the IEM stem similarly affect frequency response?
I think so. Triple flange and spinfit CP240 tips sound very different compared to single flange tips with similar bore dimensions.
Are there any tips that do this out of the box? Or do they all universally aim for an airtight seal? I've been trying to get the seal to feel right on my unvented set (Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite), but can't quite find it. Tried many different tips, and some sound great, but the tight seal makes them uncomfortable to wear for too long.
I think Divinius had a tip designed for TWS that has ventilation, I don't know where they sell it though.

The way I vent tips is to poke 4 holes along the stem, then make small cuts along the edge of the flanges. This is the most subtle way I could manage before sound was negatively affected.
 
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Mar 21, 2024 at 11:13 PM Post #3,119 of 3,245
I think so. Triple flange and spinfit CP240 tips sound very different compared to single flange tips with similar bore dimensions.

I think Divinius had a tip designed for TWS that has ventilation, I don't know where they sell it though.

The way I vent tips is to poke 4 holes along the stem, then make small cuts along the edge of the flanges. This is the most subtle way I could manage before sound was negatively affected.
Have you tried scoring them? I have a set of Moondrop Spring Tips, and they have tiny rivulets running their length. They are super comfortable, but they sound flat and dull. When I tried them, I suspected it had something to do with the imperfect seal (because of the rivulets). But it could also be just how thin and flexible the tip material is. Huh.
 
Mar 21, 2024 at 11:23 PM Post #3,120 of 3,245
Have you tried scoring them? I have a set of Moondrop Spring Tips, and they have tiny rivulets running their length. They are super comfortable, but they sound flat and dull. When I tried them, I suspected it had something to do with the imperfect seal (because of the rivulets). But it could also be just how thin and flexible the tip material is. Huh.
Scoring them as in a tier list or top 10 or something? Divinius Velvet is my #1, Azla Max #2, others are for weird IEM shapes or fit requirements. I also just use custom tips from ADV for my QDC V14 so I don't use universal tips quite as often anymore.

I didn't like the spring tips either, both because they are flimsy and they absorb too much low end for my taste.
 

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