[Prog Rock Man]

If I ever win the lottery, I will buy a whole load of high end cables and pull them apart to see what is really inside.

 

[Head Injury]

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If I ever win the lottery, I will buy a whole load of high end cables and pull them apart to see what is really inside.

At least run some tests on them first!

 

[Prog Rock Man]

I will sponsor a University to run such tests and do proper research.

 

[RexAeterna]

why is there always a cable thread about the same thing? we should have a sticky thread or something. anyways ''audiophile'' cables is usually marketing. it probably cost less then 20 bucks to make the cables they make and then they sell it for hundreds to thousands of dollars. just start doing cabling yourself.cheaper and not very hard whatsoever. i used silver and copper cable before ranging from different gauges and to be honest very little to no difference at all. only difference i can attest to is using thicker gauge speaker wire then 18 gauge can help but once you hit 16 gauge you notice zero changes going thicker unless you running speakers lower then 3ohms nominal and more then 50ft in length but that's very rare and i never see much people use speakers under 3ohms or nowhere near 50ft length either.

just let people believe in what they want. i mean something needs to make them feel warm inside. it's like little kid believing in santa clause. let them have something to look forward to and have some hope and let them be. they're not bothering you.

 

[Prog Rock Man]

My objections to audiophile cables are
 
there are sold with psuedoscience akin to snake oil sales in the past
 
people think that the cables inherantly make a difference, for which there is no evidence
 
both of which are wrong IMO.

 

[Uncle Erik]

I will sponsor a University to run such tests and do proper research.

Preferably in the psychology department. Engineering would make short work of the cables.

A psychology department's investigation would be a lot more interesting. I'm sure they could get rave reviews from a coathanger in a Cardas sleeve and horrible reviews of a Cardas cable labelled a coathangar. ABX isn't necessary. People "hear" what they expect to hear from a cable. Shuffling expectation and reality around would show that all reported "differences" come from what someone thinks is inside the cable.

 

[Head Injury]

A Psychology study could also expand the experiment to include any number of other unrelated stimuli. I guarantee there's a certain color wallpaper that is subjectively preferred for listening. A fresh coat of paint could be a more cost-effective tweak 

 

[mrspeakers]

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My objections to audiophile cables are
 
there are sold with psuedoscience akin to snake oil sales in the past
 
people think that the cables inherantly make a difference, for which there is no evidence
 
both of which are wrong IMO.

 
If you please, that should be "Oxygen Free Snake Oil."
 
 
 
 

 

[Hughkk]

does this make sense:
pure copper cable conduct electricity better than deafult factory cable, therefore, it can be driven easier by ur amp, and therefore lower signal disortion.
is that theoratically correct? and is it practical at all?

 

[liamstrain]

Sort of.
 
Factory cables are usually pure copper as well. So *how much* better, a new cable actually conducts electricity, is usually a very very small amount if any. Changing the cable length by an inch or so, changes the overall cable impedance more than the material does. 

 

[Chris J]

Most audiophile speaker cable is 10 AWG (10 gauge) copper.
If you have a 10 foot run of speaker cable ( this is fairly typical) then the resistance of the speaker cable is approx. 0.02 ohms.
If the power amplifier had zero output impedance ( this is impossible, I'm just trying to show how little influence cable resistance has in typical lengths) then the system would have a damping factor of 400.
 
The purity of the copper would have very little effect on the resistance of the cablle, therefore very little effect on the performance of the system. In typical lengths I would argue that you can ignore speaker cable resistance.
 
There is probably more resistance in the connections than in the actual cable.
 
 

 

[Steve Eddy]

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Most audiophile speaker cable is 10 AWG (10 gauge) copper.
If you have a 10 foot run of speaker cable ( this is fairly typical) then the resistance of the speaker cable is approx. 0.02 ohms.
If the power amplifier had zero output impedance ( this is impossible, I'm just trying to show how little influence cable resistance has in typical lengths) then the system would have a damping factor of 400.
 
The purity of the copper would have very little effect on the resistance of the cablle, therefore very little effect on the performance of the system. In typical lengths I would argue that you can ignore speaker cable resistance.
 
There is probably more resistance in the connections than in the actual cable.
 
 

That pretty much sums it all up right there.
 
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[Duncical]

Seems like DIY audio cables is a good way to experiment without spending a fortune, no?

 

[liamstrain]

Yes

 

[Joe Skubinski]