AUDIO over IP - REDNET 3 & 16 Review. AES67 Sets A New Standard for Computer Audio

[johnjen]

In my setup using dante, the elimination of any and all SMPS's was noticeable and cumulative.
And depending upon your budget, shorter ethernet cables and even using an optical link/break between the computer and the rednet device can help as well.

And the phrase 'the whole is greater then the sum of the parts' is a good analogy, but really just getting away from USB seems as important.

And for most folks 88.2/96KB sample rate is about optimal, if hi-res is your thing.
For me I run everything at 44.1, because the Schiit JggtB dac is 'tailored' to optimize that SR.

But since you've got a dante solution for $400, embellishing it with additional 'expensive' gear, (Mutec 3's, outboard clocks etc.) seems silly because they all are well over twice the cost of your entire implementation, and even the couple of tweaks mentioned may only make marginal improvements, depending upon the resolution of the rest of your system.

We have come to use the term REALNESS to describe the resultant SQ changes we hear from our dante systems.
And at least for me there is no going back.

JJ

 

[gefski]

In my setup using dante, the elimination of any and all SMPS's was noticeable and cumulative.
And depending upon your budget, shorter ethernet cables and even using an optical link/break between the computer and the rednet device can help as well.

And the phrase 'the whole is greater then the sum of the parts' is a good analogy, but really just getting away from USB seems as important.

And for most folks 88.2/96KB sample rate is about optimal, if hi-res is your thing.
For me I run everything at 44.1, because the Schiit JggtB dac is 'tailored' to optimize that SR.

But since you've got a dante solution for $400, embellishing it with additional 'expensive' gear, (Mutec 3's, outboard clocks etc.) seems silly because they all are well over twice the cost of your entire implementation, and even the couple of tweaks mentioned may only make marginal improvements, depending upon the resolution of the rest of your system.

We have come to use the term REALNESS to describe the resultant SQ changes we hear from our dante systems.
And at least for me there is no going back.

JJ

Yes, for me also. Dante's REALNESS and NOTHINGNESS (even LESS than what we call a "black background") are completely unsurpassed by any other file delivery I have heard or tried at home.

Living with YggyA since 2015, then YggyB in 2018, (giving me a couple week use of Gen5 USB), I thought "wow, it's really getting close to Dante".

Nope, it's not.

 

[Dawnrazor]

The only thing that I can think of is to find a POE injector that will allow you to use an LPS to power the AM2...

Great idea man. Thanks I will look into that. Right now I am just relistening to my collection and really enjoying!

 

[bfin3]

I just got an atterotech and am trying to figure out the power supply. I understand it needs to be 24v but I'm not sure if the amps matter. There are some really nice regulated supplies on ebay for cheap from acopian https://www.acopian.com/store/9-(7).aspx?min=18&max=25 would theA24H1500 work? They're available used for less than 100 but honestly I don't know much about power supplies and would prefer not to cook the undaes

 

[gefski]

I just got an atterotech and am trying to figure out the power supply. I understand it needs to be 24v but I'm not sure if the amps matter. There are some really nice regulated supplies on ebay for cheap from acopian https://www.acopian.com/store/9-(7).aspx?min=18&max=25 would theA24H1500 work? They're available used for less than 100 but honestly I don't know much about power supplies and would prefer not to cook the undaes

I've been using the Acopian Gold Box B24G210 with my uDO since late 2016, running 24/7, and it's flawless. I think the B24G170 will work well also. I have an A24MT210 in the same Gold Box series, the "A" being way cleaner distortion-wise, with sensing terminals that make it perfect at the load. @atomicbob knows all about setting these up and could give you good info. I got it used also, but never got around to using it since it needs to be calibrated and have a fuse wired into the input. If you're interested, I could sell it for $50.

The B series are easier since they're not adjustable output, and the fuse is already installed.

 

[gefski]

@bfin3 here's the page showing the output current, all are 24v. The 210 are just over 2a, the one you mention is 15a, way beyond the uDO needs.

https://www.acopian.com/power-supply-voltages/24-volt-power-supplies.htm?search=24

 

[bfin3]

@gefski i would be very interested in the a series box if someone would be able to tell me how to set it up.

 

[joelha]

Operating on the assumption that I would want to know if I were looking for this device, please know I'm selling a Rednet D16 AES at the following link: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/rednet-d16-aes.898166/

If I'm not supposed to post messages like this one on this thread, please let me know.

Thanks.

Joel

 

[gefski]

@gefski i would be very interested in the a series box if someone would be able to tell me how to set it up.

I'll PM you when I get a chance.

 

[Iving]

http://www.neutrik.co.uk/en-uk/audio/dante-interface/na2-io-dline

 

[gordec]

I’m very interested in this topic. I’m trying figure out how I can try this in my system, but all the info is scatter through 200+ pages. Can someone give me a quick tutorial on how I can use Dante with my current setup?

Right now I have Jriver running DLNA server and have ifi Pro iDSD connected to the network through a network switch. This sounds way better than USB. I happen to invest heavily to get a good USB card with LPS, high quality USB cable, etc. Network streaming still walks all over USB.

 

[Dawnrazor]

I’m very interested in this topic. I’m trying figure out how I can try this in my system, but all the info is scatter through 200+ pages. Can someone give me a quick tutorial on how I can use Dante with my current setup?

Right now I have Jriver running DLNA server and have ifi Pro iDSD connected to the network through a network switch. This sounds way better than USB. I happen to invest heavily to get a good USB card with LPS, high quality USB cable, etc. Network streaming still walks all over USB.

You need a device that supports Dante. I don't think your iFi does. At least its not mentioned on the audio advisor product listing...

 

[johnjen]

AFAIK there are no quick and dirty/tutorials etc. as it involves several different processes and they allow for a varied combination of setups.

Besides if you are going to do this you'll need to know this info anyway because it'll be you setting it up and getting it to work.
There are video tutorials that can help but it's best to also do your own research and as questions come up jot them down and see if they get answered, if not ask here and we can offer support.

Just my 2¢

JJ

 

[gordec]

You need a device that supports Dante. I don't think your iFi does. At least its not mentioned on the audio advisor product listing...

The BNC input of the Pro iDSD accepts AES.
"BNC multifunction input (S/PDIF/AES3id) such as from a high-end CD transport. For clock
synchronization in recording studios, the Pro iDSD supports AES3id based DARS (Digital Audio
Reference Signal) according to AES11."

Is that different? I'm not too familiar with AES inputs.

 

[johnjen]

In a nut shell AOIP as it exists now is made up of 3 'parts'.
#1 is the dante network s/w that is installed on the computer that has the ethernet port used to send the digital audio stream.
It is a completely separate set of network protocols that only does one thing, send digital audio data streams from anywhere to anywhere
on it's network.
All the nodes on this dedicated network must speak this dante network language, from the computer/player to the endpoints which convert the ethernet packets into the digital audio format that feeds your dac (AES, SPIDF, etc.)

#2 is the driver for the win/mac/unix based player to send the digital audio bit-stream out this dedicated ethernet network.

#3 is the endpoint converter box that receives the ethernet dante digital audio stream and then converts it to AES, SPDIF, etc. to feed your dac.

This thread deals with all of this and is probably your best resource for learning about all of this.

Also, this dante network is designed for pro audio, and not specifically for how we use it.
This doesn't mean it doesn't work nor work well, but this 'product' requires a degree of technical competence that normal retail users will find unacceptable due the complexity and required understanding of the task at hand.
IOW this isn't plug and pray.

JJ