[amiga505]

Agreed, but that's not what I meant

I just meant in the future, you might be glad to have the ACSS analog outputs rather than some SE inputs.

this point is taken but that leaves the SE input issue. on the other hand, I suppose that means that I can keep an eye out for a stock 2019-2021 R28 as it still has both the XLR and RCA inputs and I don't need anyone to replace the ACSS outputs. although to be honest, I'd probably prefer 2 x RCA plus ACSS outputs: one SE pair to tube headamp, another to tube speaker amp, and the ACSS to Audio-GD solid state power amp potentially.

 

[gimmeheadroom]

If you're thinking of upgrading, take a hard look at the latest R27. @FredA pointed out that it has a better power supply and other upgrades from the R28.

 

[sajunky]

Adding more SE inputs/outputs to a DAC can be detrimental for SQ. Less problematic are balanced connections, where a ground wire can be lifted on one side when needed.

Kingwa decision makes sense. I want to say, we are protecting DAC from noise at a great expense, adding DDC, ect., then adding one SE device from the front or a back can ruin everything. Consider what I am saying and rather in such case look for a plain DAC and master amp set.

 

[FredA]

If you're thinking of upgrading, take a hard look at the latest R27. @FredA pointed out that it has a better power supply and other upgrades from the R28.

Or even the r27he.

 

[gimmeheadroom]

Or even the r27he.

Well if somebody has the money to spend it looks like the R27HE is TOTL for sure!

 

[Louisiana]

Hi,
me again

My curiosity has won and I unscrewed the R28 to see which version I have the now - to my delight the 2020 model

Today I got a pair of Tannoy Gold 5, they sound wonderful on the R28.
All in all I can say that I got a very good deal with the R28.

 

[xenithon]

Hi,
me again

My curiosity has won and I unscrewed the R28 to see which version I have the now - to my delight the 2020 model



Today I got a pair of Tannoy Gold 5, they sound wonderful on the R28.
All in all I can say that I got a very good deal with the R28.

Would be most interested in how you find it versus the Pro iDSD (if you still have it)

 

[Louisiana]

Would be most interested in how you find it versus the Pro iDSD (if you still have it)

Pro iDSD is still there, and will never go

I can't write my impressions of the devices as nicely as some others can, so I'll just try a comparison:

Pro iDSD is technically outstanding, especially with the upgrade tubes and the many filters, R28 is musically thrilling, almost like a live concert.
Since I have the R28, I only listen with him, let's see how it looks in another 2 weeks.

I am thinking of putting my ifi stack on the desk, and replace the R28 with a R27.
I have already had countless devices at home, but none has excited me as the R28.

 

[Jandu]

Pro iDSD is still there, and will never go

I can't write my impressions of the devices as nicely as some others can, so I'll just try a comparison:

Pro iDSD is technically outstanding, especially with the upgrade tubes and the many filters, R28 is musically thrilling, almost like a live concert.
Since I have the R28, I only listen with him, let's see how it looks in another 2 weeks.......

R2R DAC is known for non fatigue analog like long session music listening. May not be most resolving SQ, but more musical to my taste. Don't try to get a DI20he for it.

 

[Jandu]

...

 

[Chris Kaoss]

It is, indeed.
Even for some Hifi professionals it's a revelation, especially with good active speakers connected.
My Hifi dealer was more than surprised about the capabilities of the R28, that I've brought to my session at his shop.

 

[Chris Kaoss]

Pro iDSD is still there, and will never go

I can't write my impressions of the devices as nicely as some others can, so I'll just try a comparison:

Pro iDSD is technically outstanding, especially with the upgrade tubes and the many filters, R28 is musically thrilling, almost like a live concert.
Since I have the R28, I only listen with him, let's see how it looks in another 2 weeks.

I am thinking of putting my ifi stack on the desk, and replace the R28 with a R27.
I have already had countless devices at home, but none has excited me as the R28.

How is your A-GD journey going?
Are you still on the R28, or is it replaced by a 27 now?

 

[Chris Kaoss]

I've a question regarding the analog inputs.

I've bought a TT recently, which has a built in phono pre ( Thorens TD402 DD ), and now is attached to the R28 by RCA Pro-Ject cable.

Caveat is, that I've to turn the volume up to 90 for suitable listening, instead of 65 via USB or feed by the Mojo ( regulated to nearly 2V ).

Someone of you has experienced a similar behavior?
Headphone is the ZMF VO.

Tested with 3 different cables ( OEM, Oehlbach Ice Blue and Pro-Ject Connect-It RCA-E ), no difference sadly.

Next step is to lend an external phono-pre to eliminate the internal from the list.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

[FredA]

I've a question regarding the analog inputs.

I've bought a TT recently, which has a built in phono pre ( Thorens TD402 DD ), and now is attached to the R28 by RCA Pro-Ject cable.

Caveat is, that I've to turn the volume up to 90 for suitable listening, instead of 65 via USB or feed by the Mojo ( regulated to nearly 2V ).

Someone of you has experienced a similar behavior?
Headphone is the ZMF VO.

Tested with 3 different cables ( OEM, Oehlbach Ice Blue and Pro-Ject Connect-It RCA-E ), no difference sadly.

Next step is to lend an external phono-pre to eliminate the internal from the list.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Pretty normal. You could increase the overall gain on the r28. Phono stages have pretty low output levels in general.

 

[Chris Kaoss]

Thank you.

Yeah, i know.
Was expecting at least 10 ticks more with this setup, but 25 is a bit to much. ^^

I'll try to figure out how I can get more gain, thou.
Maybe a Phono Box DS2 will do the trick.

It's going to be funny, I guess. ^^