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Headphoneus Supremus
no dithering- not recommended....now THAT is a challenge if I ever saw one.
Jriver recommend you to NOT select “No dithering”…. Easy peasy
no dithering- not recommended....now THAT is a challenge if I ever saw one.
I got that bit, I woould find it tempting to try...and find out WHY notJriver recommend you to NOT select “No dithering”…. Easy peasy
My apologies. Nothing to post.[QUOTE="marcelnl, post: 15932329, member: 133115"] [USER=394970]@anroj[/USER] eas there something you wanted to add to the quotes?
@anroj don't respond here (inside the quotes)
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The HDMI cable is simply used to transfer the i2s signal components in a balanced form, allowing less signal contamination. The S/N ratio is what determines the error rate of the transmission, which is normally not a concern cause near zero. But also, it is what determines the noise-induced jitter. The hdmi is less prone to crosstalk then the rj45 because of balanced transmission in part. The proof of the pudding is in the listening. Hdmi sounds better than rj45 over the same length of cable. As soon as you do anything with a digital signal, be it processing, routing or transmitting, jitter is introduced. Hdmi degrades less.Is not i2s technically supposed to be the lowest jitter transfer from a computer?
I wonder why Kingwa did not offer the ethernet i2s option and how it differs from HDMI?
Yep, i think bass digs lower and the sound has more flesh without it being exagerated. I like it too, probably my favorite.Today I changed to DI-20V3.933. I believe this to be my favourite FW. The V4.07 and V076 OTOH was not for me, and I actually preferred to output directly from my Innuos instead of the DI20HE while using them. The Innuos Zenith Mk3 is excellent by itself, no doubt, very transparent, sweet and direct sounding. Now with Innuos + DI20HE and the V3.933 I get all this from Innuos but also thunder bass and musician more clearly made out of flesh and blood.
My friend Bech had the xspdif 2 with an uptone iso regen and seperate lps which indeed sounded very good. In my opinion, the di-20 (even non HE) that he bought was a lot better: more natural sound, better instrumental sound, more detailed, more impact in the bass - simply better on all accounts.*Has any one compared the DI-20 to a Matrix XSPDIF 2 and if so what were the differences in final sound based on input to dac?
*Second question, does anyone here use the DI-20 for Spdif to Spdif only and what do they think? Say for a streamer or CD transport.
I ask these questions because,
The Xspdif 2 made a great improvement to my computer based audio feeding my upgraded Yggdrassil via AES/EBU cable. (Even a tad bit better with the uptone LPS1.2)
Now just recently I bought a Bluesound Node 2i for a secondary system and was so impressed its ease of use and decent sound that I had to try it out on the main rig with the yggy upstairs.. Although it sounds damn good feading the yggy via coax its not quite "there" so to say compared to the computer based Xspdif2.
Is the DI-20 the missing piece of my puzzle to get that little streamer up to par?
Not saying I'll never use computer based audio again its just I'm really enjoying the ease and convenience of a streamer. I refuse to dish out big $$$ for one..
The HDMI cable is simply used to transfer the i2s signal components in a balanced form, allowing less signal contamination. The S/N ratio is what determines the error rate of the transmission, which is normally not a concern cause near zero. But also, it is what determines the noise-induced jitter. The hdmi is less prone to crosstalk then the rj45 because of balanced transmission in part. The proof of the pudding is in the listening. Hdmi sounds better than rj45 over the same length of cable. As soon as you do anything with a digital signal, be it processing, routing or transmitting, jitter is introduced. Hdmi degrades less.
Are you sure it's balanced? I2S is nothing more than a data transfer format introduced by Philips in the 80-ies, " An I2 S bus uses three signal lines for data transfer: a frame clock, a bit clock, and a data line." In the article https://www.analog.com/media/en/tec...echnical-articles/MS-2275.pdf?doc=an-1327.pdf I found on the quick as I wanted to look up I2S to compare to what I thought I knew about it there is not a single word balanced.
Are you perhaps referring to they way some manufacturers implement I2S as LVDS? Also not sure how you arrive at HDMI sounding better than an RJ45 implementation, Metrum (and various others) have specifically selected RJ45 connection for I2S, with reason.
do you have any links on this? I never heard of anything balanced other than XLR.The I2S over LVDS that Audio GD, PS audio and many other uses a HDMI cable to transfer is balanced.
The transmission protocol that is used has nothing with HDMI per say. It only uses the HDMi cable and connector. It is not compatible with HDMi and must not be hot-connected/disconnected.Are you sure it's balanced? I2S is nothing more than a data transfer format introduced by Philips in the 80-ies, " An I2 S bus uses three signal lines for data transfer: a frame clock, a bit clock, and a data line." In the article https://www.analog.com/media/en/tec...echnical-articles/MS-2275.pdf?doc=an-1327.pdf I found on the quick as I wanted to look up I2S to compare to what I thought I knew about it there is not a single word balanced.
Are you perhaps referring to they way some manufacturers implement I2S as LVDS? Also not sure how you arrive at HDMI sounding better than an RJ45 implementation, Metrum (and various others) have specifically selected RJ45 connection for I2S, with reason.
See my post. Of course, it is balanced. As soon as you read data+ and data- in the description of the pin-out it becomes obvious. That's old info for me. There are pins used for ground as in most balanced transmission and there are. 8 pins for the mirrored signals.do you have any links on this? I never heard of anything balanced other than XLR.
do you have any links on this? I never heard of anything balanced other than XLR.
@marcelnl
I would have thought that if I2S works for rj45 and hdmi, then it must use at most 8 of HDMI's 19pins
But that is not the case [according to this document PinkFaun sent me last year]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fiXGAGorpewNYwVaUWdccVC4hjhqqX-nHNLzVwLwLdc/edit?usp=sharing
Worksheet #2 is hdmi, worksheet #3 is rj45. If anyone wants the orig XLSX then let me know
@zoophaugus
In January when I brought the DI20HE to a friends home who had his system dialed in with a xpdif2, the DI20HE was not a drop in replacement. The Matrix interface is very concise/present/punctual in the upper registers. I recall he tamed that signature with dark cables, mullards, stacked USB filters, etc, so the DI20 was sounding sleepy by comparison. Something similar happened when I went to a friends house who ran USB right into his DirectStream.
I'm impressed the Matrix still hold's people's interest. I'd love to have a shootout with a Denafrips Iris -- if someone brings one I can guarantee them free parking