[Wynnytsky]

@Monsterzero
well I'm guessing my friend has the $3k Galileo UEF in between his Aurender N10 and EMM labs dac2x. I should give it a listen, though it's a listen-but-don't-touch system so there's no way to pick apart what's contributing what.

Wow your Atlantic has EL34 driver tubes? I had a cheaper Atlantic hear a few weeks ago. No surprise it nailed the human voice in a way only tubes can do, but it also had an abysmally low noise floor akin to a 9038 chipped dac.

 

[Monsterzero]

Yes,the first thing I noticed when I demo'd the TRP was the ultra black background. Then the massive imaging,naturalness of the sound,etc...Eight thousand dollars I own one.

It can take the EL34s,6L6,KT66,Kt77 among others. Heres a rundown of the tube shootout one member did.

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/lampizator-golden-atlantic-trp.27809/page-4#post-578748

 

[Monsterzero]

@Monsterzero
well I'm guessing my friend has the $3k Galileo UEF in between his Aurender N10 and EMM labs dac2x. I should give it a listen, though it's a listen-but-don't-touch system so there's no way to pick apart what's contributing what.

Wow your Atlantic has EL34 driver tubes? I had a cheaper Atlantic hear a few weeks ago. No surprise it nailed the human voice in a way only tubes can do, but it also had an abysmally low noise floor akin to a 9038 chipped dac.

Did you by chance get to try the Atlantic you had with the DI? Ive been told the USB implmntation on the TRP is quite good,but cant help but wondr if the DI would be an improvement.

 

[Wynnytsky]

No my DI20HE arrived a week later. In the next week or two I'll visit my friend with the lampi and bring my DI. I'll post a pic with my review

 

[FredA]

Hey @soundlogic !

What has been cooking? The di20he, i hope.. Any improvement?

 

[soundlogic]

Hi Fred, thanks for inquiring. I am at the 575ish mark regarding hours. There has been a noticeable improvement, but I have been doing very little critical listening lately. I am noticing an anomaly that I have no idea of it’s origin: every so often...maybe 3-5-10 minutes apart, I will experience a 2-3 second moment of a very noticeable “out of phase” sound. It sounds like the whole sonic picture goes wacky and the soundstage becomes extremely diffuse and out of focus. It’s extremely annoying. I’ve just sort of chalked up to break-in, but I figured that after 500 hours, should have stooped. I have the HE plugged into my PS Audio P20 regenerator which may be a mistake. When I get time, I will try plugging into the wall, or into one of the high current outlets on the P10. I exclusively using the hdmi out of the DI, as that is the reason I purchased it. The PSA Directstream Dac I use is optimized for I2s input. I have mentioned this before, but so far, I had a much better experience with my U16. And if I cannot get the DI to at least match, or out-perform the Gustard, I will sell the Audio GD. It’s not encouraging to me when I read that some on this thread prefer the other non hdmi outs...which is a non starter for me. I have an Auralic Aries G2 as my source, and I can assure that it is a worthy source. Has anyone else experienced the random out of phase glitches?

 

[FredA]

I have the same glitch, but i think it is the ocxo. I noticed the issue is less frequent when the clock has been running for only a few hours.

The audio-gd is picky with ref clocks, the pll seems very tight. But then again, the u16 would start playing pink noise once in a while using the same clock...

So my guess is the di20 needs an excellent clock. Kingwa might add a pll setting in the future. In between the glitches , the improvements brought by the external clock is greater then with the u16.

Too bad the di does not work for you...

 

[Wynnytsky]

When I get time, I will try plugging into the wall, or into one of the high current outlets on the P10.

There was a cleanwave button on my P3. Out of curiosity is there any diff in running with it on and off? I'm not even sure if that function applies to the high current outlets.

@FredA
I got the Belden HDMI today. I'll let it break in a bit before swapping the vodka back in.
I got it in white because after seeing the pic of @UsoppNoKami 's wires I realized my wiring lacked diversity.

 

[PLGA]

Well, for me the DI-20 is a clear upgrade against the U16.

On the other hand, I've just tried on the DI-20 the HDMI I2S and the AES/EBU outputs. All the system remained the same during the test, just switching inputs on my R8 DAC with both cables connected. The cables used were a 2.1 HDMI 8K 0.3m long chinese cable (I think the one @FredA recommended) and a fake chinese Nordost Odin XLR 1m long cable (wich I must say also sounds very nice as XLR).

Well, the AES/EBU input was a clear winner, as @FredA and @DACLadder anticipated. What I noticed the most was improved instrument separation and 3D pin point image. Bass was also better. Staying for now with the AES/EBU cable. Thank you for the advice!

 

[FredA]

There was a cleanwave button on my P3. Out of curiosity is there any diff in running with it on and off? I'm not even sure if that function applies to the high current outlets.

@FredA
I got the Belden HDMI today. I'll let it break in a bit before swapping the vodka back in.
I got it in white because after seeing the pic of @UsoppNoKami 's wires I realized my wiring lacked diversity.

Also got an Oyaide usb cable today. Cheap and raving reviews. Looking forward to your feedback on the Belden hdmi.

 

[Genna]

I have the same glitch, but i think it is the ocxo. I noticed the issue is less frequent when the clock has been running for only a few hours.

The audio-gd is picky with ref clocks, the pll seems very tight. But then again, the u16 would start playing pink noise once in a while using the same clock...

So my guess is the di20 needs an excellent clock. Kingwa might add a pll setting in the future. In between the glitches , the improvements brought by the external clock is greater then with the u16.

Too bad the di does not work for you...

Have you connected your Aries G2 to the DI via HDMI?

 

[FredA]

Have you connected your Aries G2 to the DI via HDMI?

I don't have the Aries g2.

 

[Genna]

I have the same glitch, but i think it is the ocxo. I noticed the issue is less frequent when the clock has been running for only a few hours.

The audio-gd is picky with ref clocks, the pll seems very tight. But then again, the u16 would start playing pink noise once in a while using the same clock...

So my guess is the di20 needs an excellent clock. Kingwa might add a pll setting in the future. In between the glitches , the improvements brought by the external clock is greater then with the u16.

Too bad the di does not work for you...

I don't have the Aries g2.

Sorry, I‘ve quoted you instead of soundlogic!

 

[Genna]

Hi Fred, thanks for inquiring. I am at the 575ish mark regarding hours. There has been a noticeable improvement, but I have been doing very little critical listening lately. I am noticing an anomaly that I have no idea of it’s origin: every so often...maybe 3-5-10 minutes apart, I will experience a 2-3 second moment of a very noticeable “out of phase” sound. It sounds like the whole sonic picture goes wacky and the soundstage becomes extremely diffuse and out of focus. It’s extremely annoying. I’ve just sort of chalked up to break-in, but I figured that after 500 hours, should have stooped. I have the HE plugged into my PS Audio P20 regenerator which may be a mistake. When I get time, I will try plugging into the wall, or into one of the high current outlets on the P10. I exclusively using the hdmi out of the DI, as that is the reason I purchased it. The PSA Directstream Dac I use is optimized for I2s input. I have mentioned this before, but so far, I had a much better experience with my U16. And if I cannot get the DI to at least match, or out-perform the Gustard, I will sell the Audio GD. It’s not encouraging to me when I read that some on this thread prefer the other non hdmi outs...which is a non starter for me. I have an Auralic Aries G2 as my source, and I can assure that it is a worthy source. Has anyone else experienced the random out of phase glitches?

Have you connected your Aries G2 to the DI via HDMI?

 

[soundlogic]

"There was a cleanwave button on my P3. Out of curiosity is there any diff in running with it on and off? I'm not even sure if that function applies to the high current outlets."

The "clean wave" function is a degausser of sorts.

"Have you connected your Aries G2 to the DI via HDMI?"

The Aries G2 has an HDMI input, but it is not the I2s protocol, but a "Aurilac specific" connection for their high-end re-clocker. Also, the DI is I2s out only, not input.
I find it odd and disconcerting that another member here is experiencing the same "phase glitch" that I am hearing, and even more so that it could be caused by an external clock. I am using the Gustard C16, which is by no means a Mutec REF-10 ( which I just sold), but I would believe it might perform somewhat better than many of the lower end Ebay versions.