Exactly! I got a used LCD-2C in the same day. I also paid $250 for my referb EL-8 Ti, but I just don't find the sound very appealing with out cranking the volume to levels that I probably shouldn't. Id it's too hard to drive for something that is considered portable. If the Cipher cable made it shine with iOS devices maybe, but it doesn't. Can't even get it to a volume I'd prefer. I'll continue to listen for a but before deciding for good. I would like a sealed headphone, just don't think this is it. At $700 - $800 is defiantly not worth it. At $350 - $400ish I'm still not sure I'd choose it. At $250 it might be worth keeping and that's the only thing that might save it, maybe.