Audeze EL-8 Closed Version Impressions Thread

Oct 16, 2018 at 8:01 PM Post #601 of 711
Couple of questions:

EL-8 Closed (bamboo) vs EL-8 Titanium -- same sound signature/tuning when used with regular non-Cipher cable? The Titanium version seems to be about an ounce lighter, but otherwise is the difference simply cosmetic?

Were there any revisions over the years to EL-8 Closed for some difference in sound?

Some helpful reading on the topic:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/aud...el8-ti-these-have-updates-as-standard.804186/

TL;DR: The EL-8 Ti and post-2016 EL-8C headphones sound identical. The wood on the latter does not affect tone.

The EL-8 sounds awesome, just needs a bit of bass boost.
 
Oct 16, 2018 at 8:45 PM Post #602 of 711
Very helpful pointer, thank you! The one I heard for a few days was dated 2016 according to documentation, the black aluminum with bamboo. It did sound really good, particularly with my portable amp. I was strongly considering it after selling my SINE, as I had missed the SINE and wanted more of the wired Audeze magnetic planar goodness. Now I got another SINE pair and realize that EL-8C has much better texture and separation. At least this individual unit did vs my current SINE pair. I think the EL-8C may have spoiled my former positive impressions of the SINE a bit.
 
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Oct 16, 2018 at 8:56 PM Post #603 of 711
Very helpful pointer, thank you! The one I heard for a few days was dated 2016 according to documentation, the black aluminum with bamboo. It did sound really good, particularly with my portable amp. I was strongly considering it after selling my SINE, as I had missed the SINE and wanted more of the wired Audeze magnetic planar goodness. Now I got another SINE pair and realize that EL-8C has much better texture and separation. At least this individual unit did vs my current SINE pair. I think the EL-8C may have spoiled my former positive impressions of the SINE a bit.

Thanks for the impressions of the EL-8C closed vs SINE as I have the EL-8C and had wondered about the SINE in comparison...
 
Oct 16, 2018 at 9:25 PM Post #604 of 711
The EL-8 is more technically capable, for sure, but I still really liked the SINE when I had them. I hope they don't abandon the series altogether.
 
Dec 4, 2018 at 12:32 PM Post #605 of 711
Bit of thinking out loud on a recent comparison session.

I've now been comparing EL-8 Closed, SINE, and Blue Ella (another planar magnetic headphone)(,and Mobius). It's been interesting, and I intend to only keep one in the long run due to budget restrictions. I've spent the longest with SINE headphones (more than one pair) for the past year, so I'm super familiar with their sound signature with external amp/DAP and with Cipher cable. I'd say the only thing SINE wins in for me is their light weight and discrete appearance. EL-8 has much fuller, more detailed sound, greater soundstage. SINE sounds almost tinny to me sometimes in the treble on some songs, despite a dedicated powerful external amp. Soundstage is really small, even when apparently expanded with a good DAP and amp. Mobius was a gift for my significant other and is a permanent addition to our household due to its functionality and great sound. It doesn't quite reach the excitement and fullness of SINE/EL-8 with a good external amp, but is technically excellent with great low bass detail and extension--much better than the SINE's. My favorite in terms of the sound is probably EL-8 Closed (post-revision type) paired with an external amp, but Blue Ella is a close contender. Their tuning is very different. Audeze does a very forward, clean, detailed, more in your face kind of sound with prominent mids and treble. Blue went for a more rounded sound with non-fatiguing rolled off highs that you can listen to for hours and not tire of.

Also, Ella has a fully passive mode and a built-in amplifier that one can turn on to reduce effective impedance, and also an amp+ setting that boosts the lower end with a built-in EQ--the latter can give a good boost to some songs, but at other times feels too warm with too-reduced mids/high end/presence. My favorite is definitely the regular active mode if not using a good external amp. Ella can sound really good in active mode + better phone like OnePlus One (has pretty good DAC, etc.) eliminating the need for external amp. Ella is still large, heavy (weighs about as much as EL-8) and really attention-catching, so going out with it may require a fair bit of self-confidence. Not that going out wearing EL-8 Titanium isn't similarly attention-grabbing, but the SINE is very discrete. EL-8 and SINE need an iPhone/iPod to use in-wire amplifier, which is basically useless for those of us with Android phones--and personally I prefer other amps to the cipher sound signature.

I'm kind of going between "Do I keep the one that sounds best?" (EL-8 Closed, but that's still TBD). "Do I keep one that's the most discrete, even though at times the sound from it really bothers me?" (SINE) "Do I keep one that's the best all-arounder but not that discrete?" (Ella) In some ways Ella sounds best to me where EL-8 (and to lesser extent SINE) can feel or actually be sibilant in their overload of top end presence.
 
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Dec 4, 2018 at 12:57 PM Post #606 of 711
Bit of thinking out loud on a recent comparison session.

I've now been comparing EL-8 Closed, SINE, and Blue Ella (another planar magnetic headphone)(,and Mobius). It's been interesting, and I intend to only keep one in the long run due to budget restrictions. I've spent the longest with SINE headphones (more than one pair) for the past year, so I'm super familiar with their sound signature with external amp/DAP and with Cipher cable. I'd say the only thing SINE wins in for me is their light weight and discrete appearance. EL-8 has much fuller, more detailed sound, greater soundstage. SINE sounds almost tinny to me sometimes in the treble on some songs, despite a dedicated powerful external amp. Soundstage is really small, even when apparently expanded with a good DAP and amp. Mobius was a gift for my significant other and is a permanent addition to our household due to its functionality and great sound. It doesn't quite reach the excitement and fullness of SINE/EL-8 with a good external amp, but is technically excellent with great low bass detail and extension--much better than the SINE's. My favorite in terms of the sound is probably EL-8 Closed (post-revision type) paired with an external amp, but Blue Ella is a close contender. Their tuning is very different. Audeze does a very forward, clean, detailed, more in your face kind of sound with prominent mids and treble. Blue went for a more rounded sound with non-fatiguing rolled off highs that you can listen to for hours and not tire of.

Also, Ella has a fully passive mode and a built-in amplifier that one can turn on to reduce effective impedance, and also an amp+ setting that boosts the lower end with a built-in EQ--the latter can give a good boost to some songs, but at other times feels too warm with too-reduced mids/high end/presence. My favorite is definitely the regular active mode if not using a good external amp. Ella can sound really good in active mode + better phone like OnePlus One (has pretty good DAC, etc.) eliminating the need for external amp. Ella is still large, heavy (weighs about as much as EL-8) and really attention-catching, so going out with it may require a fair bit of self-confidence. Not that going out wearing EL-8 Titanium isn't similarly attention-grabbing, but the SINE is very discrete. EL-8 and SINE need an iPhone/iPod to use in-wire amplifier, which is basically useless for those of us with Android phones--and personally I prefer other amps to the cipher sound signature.

I'm kind of going between "Do I keep the one that sounds best?" (EL-8 Closed, but that's still TBD). "Do I keep one that's the most discrete, even though at times the sound from it really bothers me?" (SINE) "Do I keep one that's the best all-arounder but not that discrete?" (Ella) In some ways Ella sounds best to me where EL-8 and SINE can feel almost sibilant in their overload of top end presence.
Great impressions! I agree that the EL8 Closed's top end can be a bit too much at times. I even EQ it when listening with Roon to take the edge off. It's a shame cause otherwise they're almost perfect. Still, going back to my LCD-3 is a relief with not needing to EQ anything and being able to listen to them for hours without any fatigue.
 
Dec 4, 2018 at 10:12 PM Post #608 of 711
Aw... I miss my SINE. I always thought they were underappreciated. Of course, I think that about the EL-8C too.
 
Dec 6, 2018 at 2:10 PM Post #609 of 711
I'm afraid Audeze has ruined other headphones for me. There's so much presence and mid/high forward rush of sound in SINE and EL-8 tuning that everything else just sounds too-rounded off and muted/muddied. My SINE is definitely no match to EL-8 Closed post-revision / Titanium. It's maybe 70% of EL-8, but narrow soundstage and less full and detailed sound with less low end extension are noticeable. I was quite happy with the SINE until I borrowed someone's EL-8 Closed a while ago, and that was a revelation. I think Blue Ella is a super cool headphone, built like an absolute tank with some innovative headband design, and it sounds really laid back but still fun. But coming from Audeze, I just can't help missing the forward presence I'm used to from Audeze (there's definitely truth to getting used to a particular sound and then nothing else sounds quite right).
 
Dec 11, 2018 at 4:09 PM Post #610 of 711
Question about treble/sibilance:

The more I listen to my [post-revision] EL-8 Closed Titanium, the more I realize how much it's prone to sibilance. The "S"s and "Ts" and cymbals can hit really hard and sharp, where my Sine doesn't do this. I don't remember the post-revision EL-8 Closed non-Titanium that I had borrowed doing this either. So is this something particular to my headphone's drivers, or do you think some more "burn-in" can diminish the sibilance? I love everything else about this pair, but it's downright painful to listen to some albums in them (which is too bad, as I otherwise like listening to those albums).
 
Dec 11, 2018 at 5:29 PM Post #611 of 711
Question about treble/sibilance:

The more I listen to my [post-revision] EL-8 Closed Titanium, the more I realize how much it's prone to sibilance. The "S"s and "Ts" and cymbals can hit really hard and sharp, where my Sine doesn't do this. I don't remember the post-revision EL-8 Closed non-Titanium that I had borrowed doing this either. So is this something particular to my headphone's drivers, or do you think some more "burn-in" can diminish the sibilance? I love everything else about this pair, but it's downright painful to listen to some albums in them (which is too bad, as I otherwise like listening to those albums).

I would guess amp pairing. I find less sibilance on my warmish Black Label than I do my extremely neutral 28.38. I wouldn't consider either to be bad sibilance, but I am also fairly tolerant of that in general. Do you have something else to try it with?
 
Dec 11, 2018 at 7:26 PM Post #612 of 711
Ack, no, I just have my Cayin C5 for mobile use. It's actually good at giving warmth and fullness to any headphone I've tried it with, and doesn't add any sibilance to Sine or other headphones I've used with it. It's just this particular EL-8 Titanium from Audeze's recent black friday B stock sale. I think this unit has brand new drivers, so I'm still trying to play a bunch of music through the headphone to burn it in when I'm not actively using it. Burn in is a contested topic, but I did read some opinions where people say sibilance can get toned down with burn-in, so I'm hoping for that. (Couldn't use it with just my DAP either, as that would be too bright an overall combination).
 
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Dec 11, 2018 at 10:43 PM Post #613 of 711
Ack, no, I just have my Cayin C5 for mobile use. It's actually good at giving warmth and fullness to any headphone I've tried it with, and doesn't add any sibilance to Sine or other headphones I've used with it. It's just this particular EL-8 Titanium from Audeze's recent black friday B stock sale. I think this unit has brand new drivers, so I'm still trying to play a bunch of music through the headphone to burn it in when I'm not actively using it. Burn in is a contested topic, but I did read some opinions where people say sibilance can get toned down with burn-in, so I'm hoping for that. (Couldn't use it with just my DAP either, as that would be too bright an overall combination).

Do you have an example track that shows sibilance? I've got every Sonic Youth album since their 1982 EP on CD, if that helps narrow things down. I'll give it a listen and tell you if I hear sibilance on my 50 hour EL-8s.
 
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Dec 11, 2018 at 10:54 PM Post #614 of 711
Do you have an example track that shows sibilance? I've got every Sonic Youth album since their 1982 EP on CD, if that helps narrow things down. I'll give it a listen and tell you if I hear sibilance on my 50 hour EL-8s.

Well quite a lot, really. For example any of the Pixies recordings, Pinback's Blue Screen Life, some electronic music by Perturbator, etc. Anything that's more treble-heavy in the voice and cymbals will be sharply sibilant on my EL-8 but not on Sine or Blue Ella. (P.S.: FLAC or high quality MP3, or lower quality MP3 doesn't seem to matter for this). The headphones have been next to my computer for the pats few hours having music playing through them for the potential burn-in. A lot of tracks that comes on with "s" pronounced, I can hear the sibilance from 4 feet away. Not everything, some are mixed to reduce it significantly, but a lot do. That's plugged in directly into my computer's audio jack too, without the amp.
 
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