Apparently the Matrix CUBE is available.

Sep 8, 2010 at 2:33 PM Post #46 of 83
 
 
My goal was to have better sound, not the best sound money could buy 


My original point was that their DAC might be sounding fantastic, but they made the terrible mistake of not putting the opamps on swappable sockets. That's all I'm saying...maybe they'll read this thread and fix this major issue in their next unit. You could have asked for some free opamps samples and improve the SQ of your unit, for free at that. Buyers need to be more picky, to force the industry to adapt.
 
The same way the d2k sounds worse than a $30 RX700...if ppl who don't know better quit paying so much for such a dull phone, Denon might start getting their **** together and stop selling full size ibuds for $300.
 
Sep 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM Post #47 of 83
If I were to use either the Cube or the Mini-i soley for its DAC, then I'm assuming the op amps wouldn't matter? I'm mainly looking for a DAC to feed my headphone amp and speakers.
 
Sep 8, 2010 at 3:20 PM Post #49 of 83
I understand what you're saying. That request is also cried aloud from many people in the PC gaming community as well as many other hi-tech and electronics communities.
 
I'm not one to make excuses for others, usually, but I believe that it could be considered a huge risk for a company to transcend, raise the bar or set new standards.. especially in our current economic climate. I'm not saying companies shouldn't implement a higher level of quality into their products.. but for a product such as this cube, how much does it cost to make? How many units do they expect to sell?
 
I can't imagine it is very easy for a company to offer so much for so little especially for a product with such a tiny niche and that niche is already flooded with many other products in the same price range that may offer more or less depending on what your needs mights be.
 
I do agree with you though.
 
 
 
 
Sep 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM Post #50 of 83
 
Originally Posted by shevanel77 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
 
for a product such as this cube, how much does it cost to make? [..]
I can't imagine it is very easy for a company to offer so much for so little
 


Lake Audio/Violectric's CEO told me that it's assumed that an audio gear company needs to make a 4X markup to make a living..it will pay for employees payroll, taxes, RMA and add profit in the end.
 
Swappable sockets cost a few cents, but there's also the risk of increased RMA rates, though...many ppl could plug the opamps upside down and play stupid.
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 12:18 AM Post #52 of 83
project86 has shown some pictures of his CUBE here, should be some comparison/review coming sometime
 
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/475618/matrix-m-stage-amp-review-simple-cheap-and-excellent/840#post_6914775
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM Post #53 of 83
Wow, what a derailed thread this has become, right off the bat. I don't intend on arguing with anyone but I do have a few points to make:
 
Leeperry: you do seem to come across as aggressive and elitist. It is likely that you are not intentionally doing so, but that is still the impression being made. You call into question dozens or even hundreds of positive reviews (from magazines, recording engineers, forum members, etc.) of the Cambridge DacMagic and Benchmark DAC-1, based simply on the fact that they use some parts that you feel just can't sound good. At the same time, you list a few people who agree with you about the op-amp issue. Why are you and your little group more credible than the people who have heard and enjoyed those 2 DACs? Sure, some were inexperienced, but plenty were not.
 
It seems as if you have a predetermined dismissal for everything: some people don't have enough experience to know the difference, other people don't have enough quality gear, others don't have a trained ear, and lastly some are just shills. Factor all those together and we should see that NOBODY who counts really likes the DAC-1 or DacMagic, right? And it's all because of a few op-amps. Of course, each of those issues is valid in some instances, but certainly not all of them. You have to accept the fact that some experienced non-shills with good gear and good ears simply liked the sound made by those devices, despite the supposed limitations imposed by the op-amps.
 
I don't know what your stance is on cables, but your attitude towards op-amps seems interchangeable with a cable fanatic. Even if you are a proponent of cable upgrades, I'm sure you have been annoyed by extremists popping into threads and giving absurdly bad advice, or calling out systems which they feel don't have the proper cabling. It's not helpful and frankly it gets old.
 
Basically anytime someone ascribes too much worth to any particular little thing, it is likely wrong and usually annoying. We've seen people go overboard with cables, vibration reduction, power filtration, oversampling/upsampling, and on and on. These people will insist that their one little pet issue is the overwhelming priority for good sound, and without handling it the system or product is worthless. You are rapidly approaching that level of extremism with your op-amp posts, or at least that's the impression I am getting from you. I am still interested in information about any double-blind test where people could clearly identify op-amps.
 
I'm not trying to call you out and start a flame war. But it seems that you don't get the hint people are giving you in this thread. For better or for worse, people don't seem to agree with your assertion that op-amps are extremely important to the overall sound. I know you've probably argued it to death in other threads, so let's not do that here. You have made your points, some of which I agree with, so please move on.
 
I'm a Pascal fan myself, and here is a relevant quote:
 
"We are so unfortunate that we can only take pleasure in a thing on condition of being annoyed if it turn out ill, as a thousand things can do, and do every hour. He who should find the secret of rejoicing in the good, without troubling himself with its contrary evil, would have hit the mark."
 
Regarding the Matrix Cube: I do in fact have one, as I posted in that other thread. It sounds good. Really good. But I have to spend a lot more time with it, with different headphones, and comparing with different DACs, before I post a full review. So please be patient. I don't like the usual ongoing review type threads with dairly updates of listening impressions. That's just not my style. I'd hate to like it initially and have other people buy it based on that, only to later determine that it wasn't so great after all.....
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM Post #54 of 83


Quote:
 
Regarding the Matrix Cube: I do in fact have one, as I posted in that other thread. It sounds good. Really good. But I have to spend a lot more time with it, with different headphones, and comparing with different DACs, before I post a full review. So please be patient. I don't like the usual ongoing review type threads with dairly updates of listening impressions. That's just not my style. I'd hate to like it initially and have other people buy it based on that, only to later determine that it wasn't so great after all.....

A question regarding the line out in the Matrix Cube. Is it fixed and active all the time? When I plug in headphones, will it still send signal to the line out?
 
Thanks. I think I asked the same questions in the D100 thread. Look forward to your review on the Matrix Cube.
 
Lee
 
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM Post #55 of 83


 
Quote:
A question regarding the line out in the Matrix Cube. Is it fixed and active all the time? When I plug in headphones, will it still send signal to the line out?
 
Thanks. I think I asked the same questions in the D100 thread. Look forward to your review on the Matrix Cube.
 
Lee
 



I need to double check, but I think it acts just like the D100 and keeps the output always active. If I recall correctly, that's not what you are looking for. If I double check and find otherwise, I'll let you know.
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM Post #56 of 83
 
Originally Posted by project86 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
 
You call into question dozens or even hundreds of positive reviews (from magazines, recording engineers, forum members, etc.) of the Cambridge DacMagic and Benchmark DAC-1, based simply on the fact that they use some parts that you feel just can't sound good. At the same time, you list a few people who agree with you about the op-amp issue.


I didn't read your post in full, but the beginning is completely right...well done! the 2 DAC's you've just mentioned use crappy components(LM4562/OP275/OPA2134/NE5532/CMI108 and the list goes on) on crappy SMPS wallwarts. The ppl who rave about them haven't heard proper opamps on a proper low ripple linear regulated PSU.
 
Strangely, many ppl who have heard the DacMagic call it no better than a $99 uDAC :p
 
And no, I'm not a cable fanatic...sorry. Better luck next time maybe ;)
 
But let's talk about the Matrix Cube, I'm sure it must sound eye popping.
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 1:15 PM Post #57 of 83


 
Quote:
 

I didn't read your post in full, but the beginning is completely right...well done! the 2 DAC's you've just mentioned use crappy components(LM4562/OP275/OPA2134/NE5532/CMI108 and the list goes on) on crappy SMPS wallwarts. The ppl who rave about them haven't heard proper opamps on a proper linear regulated PSU's.
 
Strangely, many ppl who have heard the DacMagic call it no better than a $99 uDAC :p
 
And no, I'm not a cable fanatic...sorry. Better luck next time maybe ;)
 
But let's talk about the Matrix Cube, I'm sure it must sound eye popping.


I was going to make a point equating your dismissal of snake-oil cables with other people's dismissal of op-amp fanaticism. But if you are not going to put forth the effort to even read my posts, then I won't bother. You've posted here 2 or 3 times a day (on average) every single day for the past 7 years..... but I'm sure you just didn't have the time to read it.
 
 
Sep 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM Post #60 of 83
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