Jul 5, 2024 at 1:07 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

KittyFIN

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Hello everybody
I know it is an impossible task to find anything 'endgame' and that usually instead of headphones professional monitors are being used in the studios but still
I am looking for something that can be used as neutral headphones for sound mastering/mixing alongside my 600s but better, much much better quality (especially in terms of the low-frequency department)
I was lucky to listen to Sennheiser he1 back in the day and many other high-quality (or rather overpriced) headphones so I kinda have an understanding of how things should/could sound (while also having a decent setup at home/and at my friend's place)
From what I gathered I cannot stand the plastic/metallic sound, IIRC around a decade ago when I listened to Beyerdynamic dt 7-8-9 series this issue was very prominent to me. I also cannot stand overly aggressive high-frequency headphones that are prone to sibilance. My 3rd planar headphones are prone to this and they are pissing me off with ultrasonic attacks in some tracks, especially old Asian poorly mastered ones.
So...what options do I have? I don't really want to spend much, rather spend as little as possible, but to get 95% of the flagships that cost over 2-3k and so on.
I have a very vague memory of listening to some (most likely) tuned Audeze (prob LCD2?) and they were pretty neutral with deep and fast bass. But I didn't get to listen to them on my own tracks, so that could be a placebo and I do not remember the exact model and if they were moded or not...which Audeze headphones are considered to be 'best neutral with good bass'? Are there any other better options? Since then I have seen dozens of new headphone manufacturers (focal, new hifiman models, heddphones, abyss etc) it is so overwhelming to me so I don't even know where to look, haha
 
Jul 5, 2024 at 7:56 PM Post #2 of 17
Hello everybody
I know it is an impossible task to find anything 'endgame' and that usually instead of headphones professional monitors are being used in the studios but still
I am looking for something that can be used as neutral headphones for sound mastering/mixing alongside my 600s but better, much much better quality (especially in terms of the low-frequency department)
I was lucky to listen to Sennheiser he1 back in the day and many other high-quality (or rather overpriced) headphones so I kinda have an understanding of how things should/could sound (while also having a decent setup at home/and at my friend's place)
From what I gathered I cannot stand the plastic/metallic sound, IIRC around a decade ago when I listened to Beyerdynamic dt 7-8-9 series this issue was very prominent to me. I also cannot stand overly aggressive high-frequency headphones that are prone to sibilance. My 3rd planar headphones are prone to this and they are pissing me off with ultrasonic attacks in some tracks, especially old Asian poorly mastered ones.
So...what options do I have? I don't really want to spend much, rather spend as little as possible, but to get 95% of the flagships that cost over 2-3k and so on.
I have a very vague memory of listening to some (most likely) tuned Audeze (prob LCD2?) and they were pretty neutral with deep and fast bass. But I didn't get to listen to them on my own tracks, so that could be a placebo and I do not remember the exact model and if they were moded or not...which Audeze headphones are considered to be 'best neutral with good bass'? Are there any other better options? Since then I have seen dozens of new headphone manufacturers (focal, new hifiman models, heddphones, abyss etc) it is so overwhelming to me so I don't even know where to look, haha
For your particular requirements and desires, I'd recommend the Audeze LCD-X, or if you're looking for an even warmer sound, the LCD-3.
 
Jul 5, 2024 at 9:45 PM Post #3 of 17
To @KittyFIN, I strongly suggest Neumann NDH-30 given the requirements that you listed in paragraph 2. ☑️
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 12:34 PM Post #5 of 17
For your particular requirements and desires, I'd recommend the Audeze LCD-X, or if you're looking for an even warmer sound, the LCD-3.
Thank you. Do you know if the first batch issues (or old Audeze issues for that matter) were fixed in this model? I do remember them having lots of QC issues and faulty drivers...would like to avoid that gambling if possible, haha

To @KittyFIN, I strongly suggest Neumann NDH-30 given the requirements that you listed in paragraph 2. ☑️
Thank you. I will investigate that option too, I think I already heard about them somewhere...

I am still looking for any additional comments if anybody wants to chime in.

Also saw a few positive reviews about the composer by Austrian Audio but I'm not sure if they are worth 3k EUR price tag (or something like that). Some people said they even use the same driver from 600 HD's and only a few other bits are slightly different which is an insane more than tenfold price increase over the original 600's.

What kind of headphones are being used in the modern studios, does anyone have any first-hand experience? Maybe I should watch some YT room-tours now that I think about it...
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 1:54 PM Post #6 of 17
hd800S
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 2:14 PM Post #7 of 17
I think it's impossible to discuss cans without discussing what you're driving them with.

IME, cans that people complain are "sibilant" or "bright" are almost always just revealing upstream flaws in your electronics. If you "fix" this issue w/ cans that are "warmer" or "smoother" what you're doing is sacrificing resolution and refinement at the end of the chain to hide the flaws that are happening upstream.

What's your "endgame" source? What's your "endgame" amp?
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 3:08 PM Post #8 of 17
Studio headphones are designed to be revealing of any potential flaws -- hence the treble that is annoying you. There's always EQ if you are very treble-sensitive.

If you want something like the Sennheiser but with fuller bass, look into an actual studio stalwart: Audio-Technica ATH-R70X. It was designed to be like Sennheiser HD650 only better.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17535412/audio-technica-r70x-review-professional-headphones

I don't know if they're endgame -- they're not priced that way -- but I'm not moving up anytime soon.

The Neumanns mentioned above -- NDH30 -- get a lot of positive recommendations for studio work, though I haven't heard them.
 
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Jul 10, 2024 at 7:06 PM Post #9 of 17
For strictly studio usage, I would recommend the ndh-30. The ndh-30 was my daily driver for about 2 years until I sold it. It has great construction that will last a couple decades, as is neumann quality, and compared to the LCD-X and the hd800s, the other 2 recommendations for neutral sound signature (mixing/mastering use), the ndh30 would have the most balanced amount of bass. LCD-X seems a bit too boosted while the hd800s seems to be lacking. Ndh30 is a very good pick.
 
Jul 11, 2024 at 1:36 PM Post #12 of 17
Studio headphones are designed to be revealing of any potential flaws -- hence the treble that is annoying you. There's always EQ if you are very treble-sensitive.

If you want something like the Sennheiser but with fuller bass, look into an actual studio stalwart: Audio-Technica ATH-R70X. It was designed to be like Sennheiser HD650 only better.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17535412/audio-technica-r70x-review-professional-headphones

I don't know if they're endgame -- they're not priced that way -- but I'm not moving up anytime soon.

The Neumanns mentioned above -- NDH30 or, up a tier, NDH40 -- get a lot of positive recommendations for studio work, though I haven't heard them.
Link to information on the "NDH40" . . . ? ? ?
I wish . . .
 
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Jul 11, 2024 at 2:00 PM Post #13 of 17
The Beyerdynamic T1 first generation and the Sennheiser HD800 are my choice.
 
Aug 22, 2024 at 7:11 AM Post #15 of 17
If you will have more than 1 studio headphones, it is great. Instead of one expensive studio headphones you can buy several cheaper. Planar or dynamic everyone may have their own preferences here, I will leave planar aside, I touch on dynamic headphones only: AKG K612, AT M70x, Shure 1840, also can be used as reference headphones AT R70x. I will be glad if this advice is useful, but in any case before buying it would be a good to listen to familiar tracks in headphones, because everyone's ears are different:slight_smile:
 

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