Android phones and USB DACs
Nov 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM Post #5,717 of 9,526
A cheap audiophile Spotify Connect solution
http://dedicatedspotifyserver.wordpress.com/
 
"These days there are a lot of cheap Android mini pc’s, which are meant to make a Smart-TV of your old digital TV. It is in fact a small pc, with Android running on it. You can connect it via HDMI to you TV and watch YouTube etc. But we don’t want that, we want Spotify on our Hifi-set!
It turns out that some of these Android mini pc’s support USB-DAC’s out of the box! No ROM-hacking or rooting, just the basic firmware (Android 4.2.2) I bought the MK808B or MK808ii for about 40 euro’s. It’s fast enough to show 1080p video, so it’s definitely fast enough to play a Spotify stream.
When I connected my USB DAC it immediately recognized it."
 
Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC >> Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC >> amp >> speakers or headphones
 

 
 
Spotify backend infrastructure >> Internet >> Spotify running on Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC remote-controlled by Spotify running on tablet/phone >> Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC >> amp >> speakers or headphones
 
 
Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC:
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-MK808II-Rockchip-RK3066-Android/dp/B00F6Q6PEI/ref=sr_1_1
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1530#post_9101787
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2505#post_9528413
 

 
 
Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC:
http://hifimediy.com/U2-DAC
 

 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:23 AM Post #5,718 of 9,526
Thanks for posting this. This might be exactly what I need for my DF1.0 half-volume issues.
A cheap audiophile Spotify Connect solution
http://dedicatedspotifyserver.wordpress.com/

"These days there are a lot of cheap Android mini pc’s, which are meant to make a Smart-TV of your old digital TV. It is in fact a small pc, with Android running on it. You can connect it via HDMI to you TV and watch YouTube etc. But we don’t want that, we want Spotify on our Hifi-set!
It turns out that some of these Android mini pc’s support USB-DAC’s out of the box! No ROM-hacking or rooting, just the basic firmware (Android 4.2.2) I bought the MK808B or MK808ii for about 40 euro’s. It’s fast enough to show 1080p video, so it’s definitely fast enough to play a Spotify stream.
When I connected my USB DAC it immediately recognized it."

Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC >> Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC >> amp >> speakers or headphones





Spotify backend infrastructure >> Internet >> Spotify running on Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC remote-controlled by Spotify running on tablet/phone >> Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC >> amp >> speakers or headphones


Tronsmart MK808II Android mini PC:
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-MK808II-Rockchip-RK3066-Android/dp/B00F6Q6PEI/ref=sr_1_1
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1530#post_9101787
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2505#post_9528413





Hifimediy Sabre U2 Asynchronous USB DAC:
http://hifimediy.com/U2-DAC


 
Nov 18, 2014 at 2:32 PM Post #5,719 of 9,526
I recently got a 2014 Moto X and updated it to Android 5.0. I was surprised and pleased to find that my Fiio E17 'just works' when I plug it into my phone via USB OTG cable. 
 
Whatever work was done to support USB DACs in Android 5.0 seems to have worked out great.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:11 PM Post #5,720 of 9,526
Guidostrunk:
 Thanks for posting this. This might be exactly what I need for my DF1.0 half-volume issues.

I don't know what you have tried re this problem but I have a suggestion ( although it's a bit of a fiddle ! ).
 
I recently purchased some little USB speakers and found that when first plugged into a computer, the volume was low. This wasn't a problem on the computer, because I just increased the volume but when I connected the speakers to my phone, I found that although the Android/phone volume control worked, the output from the speakers was very low even at max volume. Anyway, I remembered that there was a setting in UAPP which alters what the volume control ( in UAPP ) does, so I changed it from 'software volume control' to 'hardware volume control'. When I used the slider in UAPP to increase volume, it massively increased the output from the speakers !
 
Of course, I don't know if this will work with the Dragonfly, but it maybe worth a try because I believe, quite a few dacs seem to initialise at low volume ( I have an Audinst dac which always turns the volume down on my computer to 49% until I turn it back up ! ).
 
Have you tried UAPP at all - there is a trial version which you should be able to try this with.
 
If you do have UAPP, then you are probably wondering how this could help you listen to Spotify !
 
Well that brings me to the fiddly bit - you will need a powered hub or Y cable to do this and it will only work if you have already found that UAPP can increase the volume from your Dragonfly.  You would need to connect your phone to the Dragonfly and power for the hub or Y cable, then start UAPP ( I'm presuming the vol setting in UAPP is already on 'hardware' ). When UAPP opens, move the volume slider up to max and then exit UAPP. You then need to disconnect your phone from the hub or Y cable but must leave power on to the Dragonfly via the hub or Y cable. It should only need to be disconnected for a second or so and then reconnect your phone. You will then need to reduce the Android/phone volume to avoid blowing your ear drums ! Then start Spotify !
 
I'd be interested to hear if this works with your Dragonfly.
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 6:27 AM Post #5,721 of 9,526
Geek Out 1000 confirmed working w/o UAPP on Samsung Note 4
 

 
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 7:07 AM Post #5,722 of 9,526
Hello Everyone
 
I Have a Nvidia Shield Tablet now with Lollipop and i was thinking on using it to be my music source with a Hrt Music Streamer II.
The Tablet recognizes the Dac and i can use neutron for playing music but i want to play 24/96 flacs. 
Is Usb Audio Player Pro still the only way even with Lollipop?
Thanks in advance
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Nov 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM Post #5,724 of 9,526
Hello Everyone

I Have a Nvidia Shield Tablet now with Lollipop and i was thinking on using it to be my music source with a Hrt Music Streamer II.
The Tablet recognizes the Dac and i can use neutron for playing music but i want to play 24/96 flacs. 
Is Usb Audio Player Pro still the only way even with Lollipop?
Thanks in advance
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I just sold that DAC recently it worked fine natively on my xperia phones and my one plus one on kitkat, although I did have to use a small hub in between.
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM Post #5,726 of 9,526
  Update on Sola/USB OTG Power Consumption Error:
 
I think I have a faint clue as to why a cheap USB DAC inserted between Xperia Sola and a USB Device may solve the Power Consumption Error.
 
I checked Windows Device Manager properties/Power tab for USB devices connected to my laptop, and here are the findings:
 
1) A USB Flash Drive, that was rejected by Sola if plugged straight into the OTG cable:
 
 

I know it's cyrillic, but the highlighted item is Mass Storage Device, and it claims it needs 500mA. 
 
2) Another USB Flash drive, that was accepted and mounted by Sola, plugged directly to USB OTG:
 

 
As you can see, the USB Mass Storage Device claims it needs only 200mA!!! Which means that Sola is willing to provide 200mA, but not 500mA. I guess the threshold is somewhere between these two values, but I have no way to tell the exact value.
 
3) RSA Predator - rejected by Sola if plugged directly into USB OTG:
 

 
The highlighted item says USB Composite Device (which is how RSA Predator reports itself to the host PC), and (unfortunately) it claims it needs 500mA of current. I know for sure that this is not true: Ray Samuels, while not going into specific details, told me that the Predator's USB power consumption is "far less than 100mA", and I have no reasons not to believe him. The Predator only uses USB to power the DAC cirquit, the entire amp section is powered by the built-in Lithium battery. And this is a very sad thing, because not only it reduces Predator's compatibility with power-avarious android devices, but I also think this is one of the reasons why it is incompatible with Apple CCK, because it calls the same error message: "the device consumes too much power". Which it does not in reality...
 
And finally, the icing on the cake: 3$ generic USB hub!
 

 
Bingo!!! The highlighted item says... well, you see what it says, it's in English :) But look at the right column value: 0!!! The device tells the host that it needs no current at all!!!
 
This brought me to an emperical, not science-backed conclusion that a USB hub (or at least certain types of USB hubs) is not transparent for Android USB OTG host device, such as Xperia Sola, and, in case it reports 0mA power reqiuirements, you can plug a coffee machine into it, and still have it accepted by your phone.
 
Disclaimer: a coffee machine was a joke. And if you burn something plugging things all over the place after reading this post - don't hold me responsible! :)

 
Their should be a simple solution to the power consumption error issue on some Sony xperia Smartphones.
 
According to this thread, xperia ray only provides 200 mAH when used for usb otg:
 
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1528143
 
 
All you need to do is to root your xperia and then follow these steps:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFkpqkJ23qc
 
By the way:
 
I just bought the new ibasso D-Zero MK2. connected to a windows pc: device manager says, that it requires only 100 mAh!! It works perfectly with my iphone 4s and digital output via the camera connection kit.
Picked up a used xperia ray at the bay for 50 bucks. Will report if it works with the ibasso via usb audio out in UAPP and spotify WITHOUT a USB Hub.
 

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