Android phones and USB DACs
Mar 1, 2014 at 1:42 AM Post #4,246 of 9,526
That'll be a weird as one would figure since FLAC does not require decompression it would not have much demand on the CPU or any DSP.
Edit: Root Cause Analysis is to determine why something already identified happened, not to find the actual fault.

I believe you are confusing FLAC and WAV. FLAC is compressed and so must be decompressed, WAV is not. And I was not saying that the problem was due to processor load, I said it appears to be due to a recent software delivery. And with regards to root cause, I use the term as we usually do; but is that really something worth bickering about?
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 2:37 AM Post #4,247 of 9,526
Confirmed
 
Smartphone: Samsung Galaxy Note 3
OS: Android 4.4.2
DAC: M2tech Hiface DAC 32/384
 
Re: Neutron Amp plays DXD files (.wav 24bit 352.5khz) to DAC.
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 4:19 AM Post #4,248 of 9,526
I believe you are confusing FLAC and WAV. FLAC is compressed and so must be decompressed, WAV is not. And I was not saying that the problem was due to processor load, I said it appears to be due to a recent software delivery. And with regards to root cause, I use the term as we usually do; but is that really something worth bickering about?

Yes I was incorrect about FLAC and compression. You were incorrect about Root Cause Analysis, it is not what failed it is why the failure occurred, generally process related.
"A root cause is a factor that caused a nonconformance and should be permanently eliminated through process improvement."
http://asq.org/learn-about-quality/root-cause-analysis/overview/overview.html
"Ask Why 5 Times."
They would be related to: "Why the software failed?"
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 5:39 AM Post #4,249 of 9,526
Dear fellow head-fi'ers, can I modestly ask you for some advice? I would like to connect my Nexus 5 phone to my Apex Glacier, and I was thinking this cable would do the trick: http://forzaaudioworks.com/en/product.php?id_product=55 . But... I'm in doubt about what to specify in my order. For a Nexus 5, would I need a USB Micro-A on one side and a Micro-B on the other? Or would I need two Micro-B connectors? Please help... (And if possible: explain, so I'll understand.) Thanks!
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM Post #4,250 of 9,526
For the 1st end, specify the micro-b connector with OTG function, which will enable the Nexus 5 as a USB 'host' and for the 2nd end, which plugs into the Apex Glacier, specify the micro-b connector. BTW, I don't think you'll be disappointed with Forza Audioworks.
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM Post #4,251 of 9,526
Yes
Nexus5 - Apex Glacier USB OTG cable from Forza:
http://forzaaudioworks.com/en/product.php?id_product=55
. "USB (1nd end): USB micro-B (with USB micro-A functionality, OTG enabling)" to be plugged into the Nexus5, then acting as a USB host or A-device
. "USB (2nd end): USB micro-B " to be plugged into the Apex Glacier, always acting as a USB peripheral or B-device
 
 
How-to:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4185#post_10306075
 
Plug & Play, if every USB audio-required component is functional:
 
 . Required software
The stock Google Nexus5 doesn't have a native USB audio feature.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24614&sort=-stars&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4185#post_10306075
To work with a USB DAC like the Apex Glacier, the USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP) app available on the Google Play store is needed. A USB audio feature is included in the UAPP.
 
. Required hardware
Nexus5, USB OTG cable, Apex Glacier
The pin 4 of the "USB ("1st" end)" of the USB OTG cable from Forza is connected to its pin 5 (USB micro-A functionality, OTG enabling) so that the Nexus5 is configured to USB host mode able to interwork with a USB peripheral like an Apex Glacier USB DAC
More details can be found at the following link:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4185#post_10306075
[The basics]
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM Post #4,252 of 9,526
Thank you sir! At least now I know which cable to buy, but... I'm in doubt if the N5 supports digital audio out over usb. Been reading this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511921. Has anyone managed to connect an Apex Glacier to an N5?
 
Only reason I would want to use digital audio over usb out is because I want to use it with the Qobuz app. (Finally: streaming in cd quality!) But then the Qobuz app must send digitial audio to usb out first...
 
Mar 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM Post #4,253 of 9,526
. Stock Google Nexus 5
As Google doesn't yet support USB audio (i.e. digital audio out over USB), there is an ongoing request to Google for supporting USB audio, or there is no native USB audio available on Google Nexus 5.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24614&sort=-stars&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
 
The UAPP music player including a USB audio soft-driver should allow a stock Google Nexus 5 to work with an Apex Glacier USB DAC/amp.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4170#post_10298231
But the Qobuz music player can't use the internal USB audio soft-driver of the UAPP music player.
 
The Qobuz music player can only use the stock Android media framework of the Nexus 5, and there is no native USB audio available on the Google Nexus 5.
 
 
. Modded Google Nexus 5
Apparently a modded Nexus 5 with CyanogenMod 11 (CM11) can work with a USB DAC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49112102&postcount=55
 
CM11 Nexus 5 using standard Android music player Poweramp (and very likely Qobuz) > USB audio out >> USB OTG adapter cable >> Stoner Acoustics UD110v2 DAC >> FiiO E5 amp >> Audio Technica ATH-M50 headphones
 

 

 
 
I don't know if the CM11 USB audio is compliant with the Apex Glacier.
 
Mar 2, 2014 at 2:36 AM Post #4,254 of 9,526
Thanks Danba, for your extensive reply and for taking the initiative to request USB audio support for the Nexus 5 from Google! Shame it doesn't work yet, but the current standings look good for support in the near future. Can I also vote this request up? (I placed a star in front of the USB audio request - not sure if that's enough...)
 
Mar 2, 2014 at 6:09 AM Post #4,255 of 9,526
Got my Dragonfly 1.2, brief play with the Note 3 via USB Audio Player PRO and all working well. Need more time to get a handle on sound, but early impressions favorable. The form-factor, being almost in-line as it were, is just wonderful for this application.
 
Mar 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM Post #4,256 of 9,526
  . Stock Google Nexus 5
As Google doesn't yet support USB audio (i.e. digital audio out over USB), there is an ongoing request to Google for supporting USB audio, or there is no native USB audio available on Google Nexus 5.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24614&sort=-stars&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
 
The UAPP music player including a USB audio soft-driver should allow a stock Google Nexus 5 to work with an Apex Glacier USB DAC/amp.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4170#post_10298231
But the Qobuz music player can't use the internal USB audio soft-driver of the UAPP music player.
 
The Qobuz music player can only use the stock Android media framework of the Nexus 5, and there is no native USB audio available on the Google Nexus 5.
 
 
. Modded Google Nexus 5
Apparently a modded Nexus 5 with CyanogenMod 11 (CM11) can work with a USB DAC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49112102&postcount=55
 
CM11 Nexus 5 using standard Android music player Poweramp (and very likely Qobuz) > USB audio out >> USB OTG adapter cable >> Stoner Acoustics UD110v2 DAC >> FiiO E5 amp >> Audio Technica ATH-M50 headphones
 
 
 

 
 
I don't know if the CM11 USB audio is compliant with the Apex Glacier.

You must scare the pants off of people, the thing looks like a bomb.
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 I get looks when I attach both a portable DAC and another portable amp to my cellphone.
 
Mar 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM Post #4,258 of 9,526
128GB microSD are in stock in UK today. Just ordered mine.
 
Mar 3, 2014 at 10:03 AM Post #4,259 of 9,526
Annnnnd... All gone already.
 
Mar 3, 2014 at 10:16 AM Post #4,260 of 9,526
Before I go ahead and purchase USB Audio Player Pro does anyone know (Davy if you see the post I am sure you are best equipped to answer) if there any know issues with the S3 and / or HRT Microstreamer?
 

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