[ssrock64]

I never really "got" the hype over the Daytona as far as Ferraris go, but I can certainly appreciate how different it was from a traditional Ferrari when they launched it. Along with the Miura, that time must've been an interesting era to be watching the supercar industry in before it nearly collapsed during the oil crises.

 

[Magick Man]

The beauty of them is in their clean lines, they're gorgeous in profile.


The car I'm looking at, from their digital catalog:

@Magick Man: What headlights does the daytona have, you said it's a '70 so it has the covered lights? I've never really been a fan of that model, but if I had my pick I'd take one of the early ones with the covered lights.

they're pop-up lamps.

 

[Hutnicks]

The beauty of them is in their clean lines, they're gorgeous in profile.


The car I'm looking at, from their digital catalog:


they're pop-up lamps.

Fond memories of Hearing Eppie Wietzes  coupe on his way to work all the way down Yonge St wound out in second gear to keep the plugs from fouling. Last of the great front engine 12's
 
I think this guy said it best.
 

 

[Maverickmonk]

Nope, just human nature. Plenty of bankers tend to be similar to the personality mentioned above while there are bankers who party, socialize and generally have a good time. As an example, we have a bar at the ground floor of our banks building,some go for a drink after work while others just keep working. Believe me, institutionalised bankers will be very hard to breed

Seriously, maybe they see beauty in all those numbers and shapes and being able to manipulate them gives them a feeling of control over nature. Diracs equation would be a good fit here.
I at times lose myself in the beauty of numbers and shapes but reality keeps dragging me back. I try to read advanced physics, without much success.

My 2 Australian cents.

That's where bankers get it wrong. You can be drinking at the bar AND Trudging through dirac's equation (and all the nasty ket vector/ operator algebra that goes with it) while sitting at the bar enjoying a nice drink, going back and forth between arguing mathematics with your friend next to you and talking about cool cars. That's the physics life.

The downside is unlike investment bankers you won't make billions. 2 of 3 is easy. All 3, wealth, stimulating work, and a social life; that's hard


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[Muinarc]

I love that album Hutnicks

 

[Magick Man]

In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.

 

[Achmedisdead]

In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.

Post us some audio porn! 

 

 

[Magick Man]

Post us some audio porn!   

It is the same car as in this video.


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC57E77WEzw[/VIDEO]

 

[Hutnicks]

I love that album Hutnicks

 
Me too. I love it when I get a chance to rediscover it.

In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.

How far off can the weight distribution be?

 

[Magick Man]

Don't get me wrong, it drives well for a car its age, but it runs into the same issues as other cars that are 50 years old. Hearing some talk you'd think it was pure adrenaline and sex, but it isn't. It's an above average classic sports car; uncomfortable, hot, too little suspension, too small brakes, and really too light in the rear to hold traction. It's like... this is sacrilege, it's like an early 70s muscle car, with better sound and sweeter lines. Maybe I'm polluted by RMR layouts, but I've yet to find an original FE car from, say, before 1968 that gives me much confidence at speed, it's the same problem I have with old `vettes (the `57 I got notwithstanding, it's a C6 Z06 with a C1 body). The people that drove cars such as these at speeds over 150MPH had balls of steel.

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Went with my detail guy to go look at cars locally, he needed some buying advice and I wanted to see what the lot had (it's like the biggest one within 200 miles). The place is massive, so big in fact that the salesmen take the customers around the lot in golf carts, with ice chests in the back, filled with sodas (beer is on the very bottom). He wanted a sports car and had a budget of $15k-ish, which is the most he could spend in cash and I told him if he got a loan from those vampires I'd pull his toenails out with pliers. They advertise 9.9% APR like it's a blessing. :rolleyes: Anyway, after a while we narrowed it down to 3 cars; a 2010 RX-8, an `09 Pontiac Solstice GXP, and an `04 Boxster. I'm not kidding, we found G2 Boxster (silver) for sub-15 grand, and it was clean and unmolested, too. The first 2 were okay, the Solstice was quicker than I thought it would be and was a better deal than the Mazda, but they were both eclipsed by the Boxster. We both drove it and I have to say I'm stunned over how much car it was for the money, it wasn't the S, and it didn't have a lot of options, except for the steering wheel controls, TC/ESC, and leather interior, but it outperformed the others by an order of magnitude.

So then we sat with the salesman and the guy was so excited he was ready to hand over all his money, kids. :rolleyes: "What are you doing?" "It's $15,500, and it's already on sale." (How cute.) "Oh really?" I showed him how we do it in the front office. By the time we were done, the salesman was sweating and pale, and the sales manager was swearing and reaching for his heart medication. Well, it's the kid's money and he worked hard for it, he'd need some left over for a second set of wheels and track tires, new brakes, plus tune it up some. We got it for $12,700 OTD, he was pretty happy, but I don't think they want to see me come back, ever. They didn't even detail it (my guy would do a better job) or try to pitch the aftermarket warranty. He mentioned something about it and I stared at him.

 

[Achmedisdead]

Don't get me wrong, it drives well for a car its age, but it runs into the same issues as other cars that are 50 years old. Hearing some talk you'd think it was pure adrenaline and sex, but it isn't. It's an above average classic sports car; uncomfortable, hot, too little suspension, too small brakes, and really too light in the rear to hold traction. It's like... this is sacrilege, it's like an early 70s muscle car, with better sound and sweeter lines. Maybe I'm polluted by RMR layouts, but I've yet to find an original FE car from, say, before 1968 that gives me much confidence at speed, it's the same problem I have with old `vettes (the `57 I got notwithstanding, it's a C6 Z06 with a C1 body). The people that drove cars such as these at speeds over 150MPH had balls of steel.

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Went with my detail guy to go look at cars locally, he needed some buying advice and I wanted to see what the lot had (it's like the biggest one within 200 miles). The place is massive, so big in fact that the salesmen take the customers around the lot in golf carts, with ice chests in the back, filled with sodas (beer is on the very bottom). He wanted a sports car and had a budget of $15k-ish, which is the most he could spend in cash and I told him if he got a loan from those vampires I'd pull his toenails out with pliers. They advertise 9.9% APR like it's a blessing.

Anyway, after a while we narrowed it down to 3 cars; a 2010 RX-8, an `09 Pontiac Solstice GXP, and an `04 Boxster. I'm not kidding, we found G2 Boxster (silver) for sub-15 grand, and it was clean and unmolested, too. The first 2 were okay, the Solstice was quicker than I thought it would be and was a better deal than the Mazda, but they were both eclipsed by the Boxster. We both drove it and I have to say I'm stunned over how much car it was for the money, it wasn't the S, and it didn't have a lot of options, except for the steering wheel controls, TC/ESC, and leather interior, but it outperformed the others by an order of magnitude.

So then we sat with the salesman and the guy was so excited he was ready to hand over all his money, kids.

"What are you doing?" "It's $15,500, and it's already on sale." (How cute.) "Oh really?" I showed him how we do it in the front office.

By the time we were done, the salesman was sweating and pale, and the sales manager was swearing and reaching for his heart medication. Well, it's the kid's money and he worked hard for it, he'd need some left over for a second set of wheels and track tires, new brakes, plus tune it up some. We got it for $12,700 OTD, he was pretty happy, but I don't think they want to see me come back, ever. They didn't even detail it (my guy would do a better job) or try to pitch the aftermarket warranty. He mentioned something about it and I stared at him.

Heh....now all your other guys will want to bring you along when they car shop too! 

 

[Hutnicks]

Don't get me wrong, it drives well for a car its age, but it runs into the same issues as other cars that are 50 years old. Hearing some talk you'd think it was pure adrenaline and sex, but it isn't. It's an above average classic sports car; uncomfortable, hot, too little suspension, too small brakes, and really too light in the rear to hold traction. It's like... this is sacrilege, it's like an early 70s muscle car, with better sound and sweeter lines. Maybe I'm polluted by RMR layouts, but I've yet to find an original FE car from, say, before 1968 that gives me much confidence at speed, it's the same problem I have with old `vettes (the `57 I got notwithstanding, it's a C6 Z06 with a C1 body). The people that drove cars such as these at speeds over 150MPH had balls of steel.

---

Went with my detail guy to go look at cars locally, he needed some buying advice and I wanted to see what the lot had (it's like the biggest one within 200 miles). The place is massive, so big in fact that the salesmen take the customers around the lot in golf carts, with ice chests in the back, filled with sodas (beer is on the very bottom). He wanted a sports car and had a budget of $15k-ish, which is the most he could spend in cash and I told him if he got a loan from those vampires I'd pull his toenails out with pliers. They advertise 9.9% APR like it's a blessing.

Anyway, after a while we narrowed it down to 3 cars; a 2010 RX-8, an `09 Pontiac Solstice GXP, and an `04 Boxster. I'm not kidding, we found G2 Boxster (silver) for sub-15 grand, and it was clean and unmolested, too. The first 2 were okay, the Solstice was quicker than I thought it would be and was a better deal than the Mazda, but they were both eclipsed by the Boxster. We both drove it and I have to say I'm stunned over how much car it was for the money, it wasn't the S, and it didn't have a lot of options, except for the steering wheel controls, TC/ESC, and leather interior, but it outperformed the others by an order of magnitude.

So then we sat with the salesman and the guy was so excited he was ready to hand over all his money, kids.

"What are you doing?" "It's $15,500, and it's already on sale." (How cute.) "Oh really?" I showed him how we do it in the front office.

By the time we were done, the salesman was sweating and pale, and the sales manager was swearing and reaching for his heart medication. Well, it's the kid's money and he worked hard for it, he'd need some left over for a second set of wheels and track tires, new brakes, plus tune it up some. We got it for $12,700 OTD, he was pretty happy, but I don't think they want to see me come back, ever. They didn't even detail it (my guy would do a better job) or try to pitch the aftermarket warranty. He mentioned something about it and I stared at him.

 
You're not going to be terribly happy with the Daytona then when you finally get one.  Mythos would have us believe that the GTO could go head to head with a current GTP car and eat it for breakfast. The truth is it was competitive for it's day. Like most classics  there are generations of technology between them and current offerings. Spend some time in the seat of another car from its era and then jump back in. Your perspective will change .
 
Local fellow picked up a boxster in the States for 11K.  Needs detailing but mechanically in surprisingly good shape. They are the bargain basement sports car right now when you look at what competes in the price range they occupy. You do have to be conscious of the maintenance costs but it's  hard to turn away from that car at the prices they are fetching.

 

[Magick Man]

Heh....now all your other guys will want to bring you along when they car shop too! 

Any time! Some people hate it, but I love going to dealerships, the trick is knowing when and where to say something, not so much what you say. Until you've signed you can do almost anything, short of assault or outright cussing them out. Dumb dumb was about to tell them how much money he had, I had to step on his foot to stop him. Sit near the showroom don't go to an office, plant yourself there, so when you get boisterous you'll start annoying and scaring the other customers. I actually yelled almost complete gibberish yesterday, to see what would happen, and they barely noticed. The sales people will have something else to worry about, then. I love it, gets the juices flowing.

You're not going to be terribly happy with the Daytona then when you finally get one.  Mythos would have us believe that the GTO could go head to head with a current GTP car and eat it for breakfast. The truth is it was competitive for it's day. Like most classics  there are generations of technology between them and current offerings. Spend some time in the seat of another car from its era and then jump back in. Your perspective will change .

Local fellow picked up a boxster in the States for 11K.  Needs detailing but mechanically in surprisingly good shape. They are the bargain basement sports car right now when you look at what competes in the price range they occupy. You do have to be conscious of the maintenance costs but it's  hard to turn away from that car at the prices they are fetching.

I like driving the Daytona (I have a coupe), but they're GTs, not race cars or even sports cars. The GTO is fine, it is what it's supposed to be, but the hype around them is as thick as Mississippi mud. We are going to put larger brakes and stronger springs on it, that will help.

 

[Hutnicks]

Any time! Some people hate it, but I love going to dealerships, the trick is knowing when and where to say something, not so much what you say. Until you've signed you can do almost anything, short of assault or outright cussing them out. Dumb dumb was about to tell them how much money he had, I had to step on his foot to stop him. Sit near the showroom don't go to an office, plant yourself there, so when you get boisterous you'll start annoying and scaring the other customers. I actually yelled almost complete gibberish yesterday, to see what would happen, and they barely noticed. The sales people will have something else to worry about, then. I love it, gets the juices flowing.
I like driving the Daytona (I have a coupe), but they're GTs, not race cars or even sports cars. The GTO is fine, it is what it's supposed to be, but the hype around them is as thick as Mississippi mud. We are going to put larger brakes and stronger springs on it, that will help.

The GTO was nothing more than a homologated GT car. That get's lost in the legend and the fact that originals are not hitting prices that are miles out of proportion to their actual value. Imagine how you'd be feeling if you'd paid 50 megabucks for that car. It's rarity and style have carried the prices well beyond the limits of sanity.

 

[ssrock64]

I've always thought of the 250LM as a much better can than the GTO, personally, even in terms of beauty, and they can be had for under half the price of a GTO. They have the sort of clean looks that make attractiveness seem effortless, and they were fantastic race cars for the day.