[estreeter]

ckturtle, you are hearing a change in tone with the change in screen brightness on the *Classic* ??

 

[kostalex]

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Originally Posted by ckturtle /img/forum/go_quote.gif What particular brands/models have you tried in which you felt had clearly outperformed the '09 Classic in SQ?

iPod 5.5 gen (iPod Video), I wrote this earlier in this thread.

I also prefer lively sound of Clip or Fuze to 09 Classic, though later is more refined.

 

[ckturtle]

Quote:

Originally Posted by estreeter /img/forum/go_quote.gif ckturtle, you are hearing a change in tone with the change in screen brightness on the *Classic* ??

Yeah!!! But then again it could be my imagination. But, seriously, do give it a try and let me know.

 

[kostalex]

And iPod Mini 2nd gen beats them all.

 

[ckturtle]

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Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif iPod 5.5 gen (iPod Video), I wrote this earlier in this thread. I also prefer lively sound of Clip or Fuze to 09 Classic, though later is more refined.

I'm seriously contemplating purchasing the 5.5 80 GB. But, brand new models are seriously getting expensive!

I know this has been covered in past years, but just how is the Line out SQ on the 5.5 versus the classics?"

 

[kostalex]

it is miles ahead

 

[3X0]

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Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif it is miles ahead

Wrong. It's been thoroughly affirmed that the Classic has a superior line-out to the stock 5.5G. The line-out path is much cleaner, which was one of the reasons why the iMod stopped at the 5.5G (the Classics simply didn't need it).

HPO is one story, line-out is another.

 

[elfary]

I've spent 1 one hour at my lunch break listening back an forth a couple of Mark Knopfler tracks on the iPhone 3GS and on the 2009 Classic and they sound so damn similar that if somebody hates the 09 Classic SQ he must hate as well the iPhone 3GS SQ.

The comparison has been through HP.

 

[koshinki]

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Originally Posted by 3X0 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Two 2009 160GBs at my Apple Store sounded different from one another with my JH13s, and more than subtly so.

can i ask, u used your own file or the pre-load file to test the 2 system?

 

[3X0]

Quote:

Originally Posted by koshinki /img/forum/go_quote.gif can i ask, u used your own file or the pre-load file to test the 2 system?

The files on the iPods, which were identical and (I am assuming) 256kbps AAC.

Also, for those wondering, neither of them were on an equalization preset.

 

[kostalex]

Quote:

Originally Posted by elfary /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've spent 1 one hour at my lunch break listening back an forth a couple of Mark Knopfler tracks on the iPhone 3GS and on the 2009 Classic and they sound so damn similar that if somebody hates the 09 Classic SQ he must hate as well the iPhone 3GS SQ. The comparison has been through HP.

What headphones did you used?

 

[kostalex]

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Originally Posted by 3X0 /img/forum/go_quote.gif It's been thoroughly affirmed that the Classic has a superior line-out to the stock 5.5G.

(S)he asked for my opinion, not for affirmation from unknown persons(s). So I can not be wrong answering with my own opinion.

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Originally Posted by 3X0 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The line-out path is much cleaner, which was one of the reasons why the iMod stopped at the 5.5G (the Classics simply didn't need it).

Wrong. You are trying to derail the original question. (S)he asked on SQ, not the line-out path cleanness in terms of hardware implementation or any else type of cleanness. It is true that Classic does not have coupling caps on line-out in contrary to 5.5 gen. And this is the real reason why iMod is not applicable to Classic - there are simply no caps to update. But this does not provide it with better SQ ckturtle asked for.

Regarding the "clarity'" some people attribute to Classic - I call it rather "poorness". Classic simply has lesser resolution comparing to 5.5 gen and omits some microdetails. This result in more primitive sound, which some people treat as "cleaner".

 

[kostalex]

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Originally Posted by hybwolf /img/forum/go_quote.gif I didn't compare this on some cheap department store rack system. This was compared on a 14k high end system.

I know nothing about your system except the price tag. But I know my ER-4S well and it stands well against many expensive systems in terms of resolution and details.

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Originally Posted by hybwolf /img/forum/go_quote.gif If a fly had farted in the recording, I would hear it.

I like this metaphor. I would describe

1. Classic as "If a fly had farted in the recording, I would doubtedly hear it."
2. and 5.5 gen as "If a fly had farted in the recording, I would hear it and feel like I smell it."

 

[3X0]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif Wrong. You are trying to derail the original question. (S)he asked on SQ, not the line-out path cleanness in terms of hardware implementation or any else type of cleanness. It is true that Classic does not have coupling caps on line-out in contrary to 5.5 gen. And this is the real reason why iMod is not applicable to Classic - there are simply no caps to update. But this does not provide it with better SQ ckturtle asked for.

No, and no I am not. The 5.5G has a poorer implementation in the line-out, and that is an incontrovertible fact. It isn't even a question of DACs anymore since you have a bunch of garbage capacitors in the path. You can have the best chip in the world and ruin it to hell with a poor implementation, and the 5.5G has a very poor implementation of the line-out despite the relative performance of its respectable Wolfson DAC. The 5.5G line-out is blurry and suffers from poor resolution in comparison; I perfectly see the reasoning in your preferring the 5.5G's HPO, but I simply cannot fathom how you could possibly consider the 5.5G's stock line-out to be in any way superior to that of the Classic in any iteration. I consider the line-out of the Classic to rest between that of the 5.5G stock and the 5.5G iMod.

You are in the minority to consider the stock 5.5G line-out as sonically superior to that of the Classic, especially to deem it as "miles ahead." But as you said, that is your opinion, and I desist to that; I'll agree to disagree since there seems to be no other recourse.

 

[BBY03evo]

Has anyone actually taken the new 09 classic apart, too confirm if the DAC is different (or anything else besides the HD)? from the older 6G classic model?

Or is it having a placebo effect on everyone?lol