[inscythe]

I am interested in the Timeless and have got some questions:

https://headphones.com/blogs/reviews/7hz-timeless-ae-review-a-year-of-difference

So the AE is different but not better? Is the fit better than the Blessing 2 for smaller or average ears? The B2 makes it difficult. 160 € for timeless, 210 € for timeless AE or 250 € for the Blessing 2. There are a lot of good iems here.

I have both the Timeless AE and Blessing 2 (but Dusk variant). I used to own the Timeless OG too, but sold it in favour of AE. In terms of fit, Timeless AE is a better fit compared to B2 to more people due to its smaller nozzle. I've let people try them, and more people complained about B2's fit.

About sound quality, really depends on the priorities you're looking in audio. Timeless OG and AE are more resolving than B2. Between OG and AE, I'll go with AE as it has less treble edginess. I think the EQ that jasonb posted earlier is a good solution if you think the bass in AE is too much.

 

[Sharppain]

I have both the Timeless AE and Blessing 2 (but Dusk variant). I used to own the Timeless OG too, but sold it in favour of AE. In terms of fit, Timeless AE is a better fit compared to B2 to more people due to its smaller nozzle. I've let people try them, and more people complained about B2's fit.

About sound quality, really depends on the priorities you're looking in audio. Timeless OG and AE are more resolving than B2. Between OG and AE, I'll go with AE as it has less treble edginess. I think the EQ that jasonb posted earlier is a good solution if you think the bass in AE is too much.

fully agree with the statements

 

[domq422]

It's a 'mini' Maestro Mini. Legato has slightly lower resolution and a bit more recessed mids, also physically heavier. Bass is equally clean, with similar quantity and quality, but with more midbass emphasis. I prefer Legato's timbre better, personally. All in all, Legato has more midbass in exchange of slightly less technicalities compared to Maestro Mini.

I don't personally own a Maestro Mini, so this is based on a unit that I borrowed from a friend (my friend also came to a similar conclusion).

EDIT:
Ian Fann has released a followup video. He also mentioned Fatfreq in his Legato full review.

Wow, huge praise. The Maestro Mini is single handedly the best bass I’ve ever heard in an IEM but not just because there’s a lot of it, more so the overall depth and quality to it. I know you said it’s from memory but typically with an IEM like the Minis, they make a lasting impression.

I’ll definitely be watching more impressions come flooding in - I’m so happy 7hz decided to take their time with their release schedule and really come out with something different. Good on them.

 

[inscythe]

Wow, huge praise. The Maestro Mini is single handedly the best bass I’ve ever heard in an IEM but not just because there’s a lot of it, more so the overall depth and quality to it. I know you said it’s from memory but typically with an IEM like the Minis, they make a lasting impression.

I’ll definitely be watching more impressions come flooding in - I’m so happy 7hz decided to take their time with their release schedule and really come out with something different. Good on them.

Maybe my impression from when I visited FatFreq last year may help: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fat...-cannons-and-more.964743/page-7#post-17227823
The last I tried Maestro Mini is about 2 months ago when I revisited the shop with more friends.

 

[jghjkhfd]

7Hz Legato review @ hatena

Pros​

• Heavy and deep low frequency range
• Good detail
• Good localization
• Sound with a sense of depth
• Sufficiently extended highs
• Rich and immersive sound

Cons​

• Unnatural texture
• Cramped midrange
• Muddy, hard-to-hear midrange

 

[ssantan2]

7Hz Legato review @ hatena

This review confuses me. It might be the translation but it seems like they contradict themselves in several places.

For example they say this

Either way, the midrange is not really suitable for audiophiles. Resolution is also low.

And then follow it up with

The 7Hz Legato is adjusted with relatively high sound image consistency, with excellent localization and at the same time high definition and no lack of detail.

And in the Pros say "good detail". Maybe they are talking about midrange resolution vs treble resolution?

Either way I have been listening to the Legato for a couple of days now and I love them! For the price I definitely think they are worth it. They are a colored experience and you gotta really like bass however they are not a one trick pony like some other basshead IEMs. They shine with old school rap and hip hop and are okay/good (although not great) for most every other genre in my library (prog rock is good, classic rock is okay, classical is okay/good, pop is good). I haven't found anything that sounds bad on them.

However, the downside of such tuning is mainly concentrated in the midrange, which is the center of the spectrum. The midrange is cramped, muddy, and lackluster as a whole. At the very least, audiophiles with a fidelity to the original sound will not appreciate it, as it deviates from the recent basic principle of earphone design, which is to tune the midrange, the heart of the music, as carefully as possible.

While I do agree with their comments on the midrange (although I don't think its muddy) I feel like no one looking at the Legato is expecting/looking for it to be an "authentic" replay of the original recording, whatever that means.

 

[jghjkhfd]

 

[Surf Monkey]

This review confuses me. It might be the translation but it seems like they contradict themselves in several places.

For example they say this


And then follow it up with

And in the Pros say "good detail". Maybe they are talking about midrange resolution vs treble resolution?

Either way I have been listening to the Legato for a couple of days now and I love them! For the price I definitely think they are worth it. They are a colored experience and you gotta really like bass however they are not a one trick pony like some other basshead IEMs. They shine with old school rap and hip hop and are okay/good (although not great) for most every other genre in my library (prog rock is good, classic rock is okay, classical is okay/good, pop is good). I haven't found anything that sounds bad on them.


While I do agree with their comments on the midrange (although I don't think its muddy) I feel like no one looking at the Legato is expecting/looking for it to be an "authentic" replay of the original recording, whatever that means.

This all sounds great to me. I’ve been on the search for a “good” bass blaster. I initially landed on the OH10 Obsidian and they’re one of my all time favorites but they’re actually more of an all-rounder than a bass focused set. The TRI i3Pro is probably the most bassy, analogue sounding set I own. Your report and others sound like the Legato may be the solution I’ve been seeking. Big, bassy analogue sound that isn’t married to the Harmon target.

Mine are on the way.

 

[samandhi]

This all sounds great to me. I’ve been on the search for a “good” bass blaster. I initially landed on the OH10 Obsidian and they’re one of my all time favorites but they’re actually more of an all-rounder than a bass focused set. The TRI i3Pro is probably the most bassy, analogue sounding set I own. Your report and others sound like the Legato may be the solution I’ve been seeking. Big, bassy analogue sound that isn’t married to the Harmon target.

Mine are on the way.

This is, more or less, what I was thinking also. Most of my head gear is neutral, diffuse, or a tad bit boosted in bass, or just generally more tonally accurate (with some fun thrown in), but I have to admit I have a guiltily pleasure now and again listening to a (well tuned) set that reminds me of "big bass" from yesteryear. I think these would definitely fill a niche area for me, and won't be all-rounders. The only two sets that I currently have that fill that role are the Mi Xioami Piston II, and the (more contemporary) CCA CRA & CRA+. Even with those though, they don't quite fill the role enough. LIke you said, they feel more like "all-rounders" to me, rather than pure bass focus (with clarity to hear the whole spectrum). To see a set that might not be nothing but bass is also something I am seeking to fill that role.

Having super deep and large bass (ie... bass cannons), but still quick and textured, while also not completely killing the mids seems pretty intriguing to me (and also opposing my "norm" preferences). I may just have to pick up a set for experimentation...

P.S. What the heck, mine are on the way also... ROFL

Edit: Also, the fact that they are (totally) using the Hook-X design with a closed back, brings confidence (if not wondering about how shady the backdoor deals might have been in potentially stealing acquiring the design... LOL) because this is a known entity to my ears and fits very well. I also happen to think it is a beautiful design in its own right.

I am amazed! I almost didn't watch this video because normally they are SOOO long, and it takes forever to get to the point. This is probably the shortest one I have seen, while getting the point across very nicely... Thanks for sharing!

 

[samandhi]

Also, for anyone thinking of ordering these in the US and from Linsoul Amazon, there is currently a $10 off coupon, bringing them down to $99.

 

[jghjkhfd]

Most of all, I'm curious how 7hz Legato sounds compared to my Penon Serial. Any similarities between them?

 

[Surf Monkey]

This is, more or less, what I was thinking also. Most of my head gear is neutral, diffuse, or a tad bit boosted in bass, or just generally more tonally accurate (with some fun thrown in), but I have to admit I have a guiltily pleasure now and again listening to a (well tuned) set that reminds me of "big bass" from yesteryear. I think these would definitely fill a niche area for me, and won't be all-rounders. The only two sets that I currently have that fill that role are the Mi Xioami Piston II, and the (more contemporary) CCA CRA & CRA+. Even with those though, they don't quite fill the role enough. LIke you said, they feel more like "all-rounders" to me, rather than pure bass focus (with clarity to hear the whole spectrum). To see a set that might not be nothing but bass is also something I am seeking to fill that role.

Having super deep and large bass (ie... bass cannons), but still quick and textured, while also not completely killing the mids seems pretty intriguing to me (and also opposing my "norm" preferences). I may just have to pick up a set for experimentation...

P.S. What the heck, mine are on the way also... ROFL

Edit: Also, the fact that they are (totally) using the Hook-X design with a closed back, brings confidence (if not wondering about how shady the backdoor deals might have been in potentially stealing acquiring the design... LOL) because this is a known entity to my ears and fits very well. I also happen to think it is a beautiful design in its own right.


I am amazed! I almost didn't watch this video because normally they are SOOO long, and it takes forever to get to the point. This is probably the shortest one I have seen, while getting the point across very nicely... Thanks for sharing!

It’s SO easy to amass a bunch of “generalist” phones. Makes sense given the fact that these companies are seeking the largest possible audience for their products. But the net result is very little variation from the accepted “norm.” When ones pop up that ignore the lowest common, that grabs my attention. It does appear that the Legato falls into that category. A bass specialist that 1) isn’t close to Harmon and 2) isn’t muddy, blooming Beats “tuned.” A tune specifically intended to present big bass without sacrificing the rest of the FR. Sign me up.

And this applies to mids and treble too. I’d love to see more companies releasing specialist non-Harmon phones targeted at those as well (though arguably most of East-tuned chi-fi is treble focused already.)

 

[samandhi]

It’s SO easy to amass a bunch of “generalist” phones. Makes sense given the fact that these companies are seeking the largest possible audience for their products. But the net result is very little variation from the accepted “norm.” When ones pop up that ignore the lowest common, that grabs my attention. It does appear that the Legato falls into that category. A bass specialist that 1) isn’t close to Harmon and 2) isn’t muddy, blooming Beats “tuned.” A tune specifically intended to present big bass without sacrificing the rest of the FR. Sign me up.

And this applies to mids and treble too. I’d love to see more companies releasing specialist non-Harmon phones targeted at those as well (though arguably most of East-tuned chi-fi is treble focused already.)

I couldn't have said it better. And that also applies to all types of unique tuning (as long as it doesn't become offensive to my ears). I have a few sets that are mid focused (except upper mids, I hate that "over emphasis"), and some that are more treble focused, and I love all of them.

 

[LaVey1999]

Pop music is amazing on the AE's. On my FiiO Q1 Mark II they sound engaging and powerful with Artists like Muse, Depeche Mode or even Modern Talking . The sound is so full-bodied and rich, it's amazing for an iem.
The Aria Snow are definitely neutral therefore they bring out slightly more detail, but the songs sound flat and relaxed.

The AE has a strange behavior on live recordings. Idk how but they're not that full sounding anymore. The bass is still good but the rest sounds so ''compressed''. It's like they struggle with my busy live recordings of bands like Dimmu Borgir or Septicflesh. Again, that's just the case with live albums but it's strange. My Focal Celestee has not that big gap between studio and live albums, they sound the same, even on the Aria Snow or the 19$ Truthear Hola it's not that obvious. I think they lack dynamics on live songs, I don't have an other explanation for this case.
If I must give notes for the sound of the Timeless AE it would be an ''A-'' for the overall sound, but for live recordings just a ''C''

Anyway, I have the Aful Performer5 on the way so I can compare them in the future.

 

[Neithan]

Just paired my Timeless OG with the NiceHCK SuperBlue Taiwan Lab 7N Litz cable and after a couple of songs it has again blew me away. The IEMs became more engaging Vs using de Hakugei Big Rice, gain a bit more treble without any harshness and the bass is also punchier!
What this IEM is so good .