1964 Ears Adel IEMs
Apr 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM Post #1,486 of 9,124
I'm really really hoping they decided to avoid MMCX in the end - Vitaly didnt answer clearly but I think he did sort of look troubled when he said no commitments had been made to MMCX on the last Q and A. Even since I asked back then I've read a few negative reports about them on other iems...
 
Apr 24, 2015 at 3:41 PM Post #1,487 of 9,124
Switching between the A12 and V6-Stage leaves me thinking the addition of ADEL is going to make those who backed the U6 & U8 really happy. At the KS pricing they could go down as one of the best iem deals ever.
 
Apr 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM Post #1,488 of 9,124
  I'm deliberating on whether I should make a sound science post instead, but basically, the idea I have is that the ADEL allows adjustment of the acoustic impedance difference to near zero. I'm not entirely sure if I'm using the terminology right, or if it's a valid hypothesis, but I think the difference will allow the diaphragm of the driver to move more equally in each direction, which means that the waveform will not be biased in either direction, leading to more accuracy. The speed could also be affected because the pressure from the acoustic impedance of the sealed ear would provide a force on the diaphragm more or less equal to the force exerted by the pressure from the other side, which on other IEMs most likely would have been very high since you just encounter the shell's completely sealed and low-air space.

 

 
 
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  It seems reasonable that removing the pressure gradient across the tympanic membrane would allow the membrane to move freely in either direction.  One could call it the equivalent in sound to lowering impedance in electronics. That makes them more analogous to the situation with speakers. Speakers give great sound stage and spatial clues.  IEMs have two major differences to overcome to be more like a speaker--I'm not sure as good as a speaker will ever apply--the first is of course the unnatural way in which the sound arrives at the membrane, and the second is the pressure differential across the membrane created by the sealed system.  ADEL may indeed eliminate one hurdle to more natural sounding audio reproduction.
 
It would be interesting to run this by the sound science threads.

 
 
The hypothesis seems plausible to me, to a degree, but it fails to take into account whether or not the BA drivers themselves are vented. If not vented, then it falters to a significant (though not 100% absolute) extent.
 
Apr 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM Post #1,489 of 9,124
Switching between the A12 and V6-Stage leaves me thinking the addition of ADEL is going to make those who backed the U6 & U8 really happy. At the KS pricing they could go down as one of the best iem deals ever.

 
Ugh!!!!  Why would you say that to us?  The waiting is already hard enough.  I can't wait to try the U8s.
 
Apr 24, 2015 at 9:45 PM Post #1,491 of 9,124
   
 
The hypothesis seems plausible to me, to a degree, but it fails to take into account whether or not the BA drivers themselves are vented. If not vented, then it falters to a significant (though not 100% absolute) extent.

That may be a very good point. I don't actually know a lot about the difference in mechanical design from a BA to any other type of driver. I'm really curious about the overall design of the system now. Anything to say about this, Vitaliy (I know you're here)? 
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EDIT: He's gone now.
 
Apr 25, 2015 at 4:01 AM Post #1,492 of 9,124
  That may be a very good point. I don't actually know a lot about the difference in mechanical design from a BA to any other type of driver. I'm really curious about the overall design of the system now. Anything to say about this, Vitaliy (I know you're here)? 
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EDIT: He's gone now.

 
 
Regarding BA drivers:
 

(re-posted from here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/578855/things-to-consider-before-getting-your-custom-iem-impressions-done-the-perfect-fit#post_7871678 )
 
 
 

 
Also see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones#Balanced_armature
 
I must admit, there seems to be a little ambiguity as to whether or not the 'rear' side of a standard BA diaphragm is exposed to outside air pressure or not - the first video seems to imply that it is, yet I know that some CIEM makers (UM, for example) are very deliberately implementing venting in their BA driver casings (I suspect to favourably alter the bass response, and perhaps transient response, amongst other possibilities).
 
Food for thought...
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PS: I welcome any input or corrections from anyone with a deeper technical understanding, including Vitaliy!
 
Apr 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM Post #1,494 of 9,124
Regarding BA drivers:



(re-posted from here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/578855/things-to-consider-before-getting-your-custom-iem-impressions-done-the-perfect-fit#post_7871678 )most BAs are not vented by default . Virtually ALL moving coil (dynacic drivers) are, and have to be vented to sound decent.






Also see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones#Balanced_armature

I must admit, there seems to be a little ambiguity as to whether or not the 'rear' side of a standard BA diaphragm is exposed to outside air pressure or not - the first video seems to imply that it is, yet I know that some CIEM makers (UM, for example) are very deliberately implementing venting in their BA driver casings (I suspect to favourably alter the bass response, and perhaps transient response, amongst other possibilities).

Food for thought... :beerchug:

PS: I welcome any input or corrections from anyone with a deeper technical understanding, including Vitaliy!
 
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Apr 25, 2015 at 9:46 PM Post #1,495 of 9,124

That's some great stuff, Mython! I'm shocked I wasn't aware of those resources beforehand. It'll take me some time to get through everything with how busy I am these days.
 
 

Well there we go. 
 
Also, I can't remember exactly, so I may be wrong, but in one of the videos, I think I saw a hole in the BA driver on the back side where the the wires also additionally hook up to. Could those be the vents?
 
Apr 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM Post #1,496 of 9,124
Does it make a difference that the drivers themselves are contained in a closed shell whose only openings are into the ear canal in which the casting makes a plug?
 
It's still a closed system, albeit with slightly more volume.  This is beginning to remind of a miniature speaker box with two or more compartments and/or drivers like isobarics (but not exactly).  The semi-closed or partially vented behavior can obviously be tuned by the designer to produce all sorts of subtle effects.
 
Apr 25, 2015 at 10:49 PM Post #1,497 of 9,124

 
Considering ADEL designs are already open vented, ever thought of implementing a moving armature/balancing air movement driver type for the bass part? :D
 
Apr 26, 2015 at 12:43 AM Post #1,499 of 9,124


Oh no! Lol are we expecting a 1964 A12S in the near future?
I fear for my wallet! :frowning2:
I'm still waiting for your hybrid Dynamic + BA design! :D
 
Apr 26, 2015 at 12:46 AM Post #1,500 of 9,124
I just tried @ericr 's A12 again today in a head-fi meet. Forget about LCD-2 or even LCD-3, I like the sound of A12 better than those 2 
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The sound is just pure liquid gold, impossibly clean sounding
 
Thanks @ericr for letting me to listen to your A12 and V6s although probably I shouldn't have listened those IEMs 
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