Reviews by Zennheiser

Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Outstanding Build Quality, sumptuous mids, tight lows and extended highs
Cons: It's not an SR-71b or Shadow. Not really a con, but output matters.....
I bought this headphone amp after having met Ray Samuels at a Headphone show.  He made it absolutely clear how much he valued over-engineering his pieces and how much he prioritized long term reliability.  I've bought other Headphone amps since (A  FiiO E17 which is also a DAC).  It offers really stiff competition and it's probably better value for the money.  But I'm not sure if it will hold up like this P-51 has. (I will say, no complaints thus far.)  The E-17 charge lasts about fifteen hours and I've never been able to actually run this Samuels Headphone amp down.  It just goes and goes.......but I will say that the E17 is a little more muscular in its output, which makes a difference.  It deserves its reputation as a great timeless design.  I use it with the more efficient headphones in my collection.  The E17 mates better with 'phones like the V-Moda M-100, where just a touch of top octave boost makes that headphone much more of an "audiophile" proposition.  But the Samuels does a GREAT job with my Sennheisers and my Pro 900.  I still have designs on getting a SR-71b or a Shadow.  Not sure which to focus on.....so many Headphone products, so little time.

Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Outstanding ergonomics and unimpeachable performance.
Cons: None, charge could last longer.
I use this Headphone amp with my V-Moda M-100's.  The 100's are just too "dark" without something to mitigate on the top octave's behalf.  The OLED display is bright clean and easy to read.  (A plus, for not a kid anymore folks like me.)   The charge lasts roughly fifteen hours, which is more than enough for most situations, but it's the one area where my Samuels P-51 reigns supreme.  (Well, that and maybe a just slightly more beautiful midrange.  I try to avoid terms like "liquidity", but the Samuels draws your attention to how good mids can sound, and that's a great thing to have with the right phones.  I hope to eventually get an SR-71b or a Shadow, and I'll have more things to compare this amp to.  But for now, it's my personal reference standard.  I'm knocked out.....
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Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Nice Packaging, laid back mids and highs
Cons: Pretty much everything else
The highs and the lows are, for lack a better descriptor "dry".  There are people who "like" this sort of leanness, but it's never sounded "real" to me.  It's the difference I hear in vintage (dry)Teac/Tascam analog tape gear vs. the better Pioneer machines from the mid-'70's forward. (The better European machines as well, even though reliability problems are legion, depending on brand.) How something measures and how it sounds are sometimes very counterintuitive.  I was disappointed and let's leave it at that.
Zennheiser
Zennheiser
I'm a retired professional musician/teacher.  Most of what I listen to is what's increasingly dismissed as "marginalized" owing to my age demographic.  My idea of the greatest rock band of all time is Blood, Sweat & Tears.  (I'm casual friends with Roy Halee, although I haven't spoken with him recently, we're both trumpet players...)   I'm sorry that you dislike what I disliked and our biases somewhat cancel. They're not BAD headphones, and that seems to be the "common denominator" in the commentary about them.  My biases are toward Jazz/Classical/Acoustic and what most  think of as highly produced (prepared/rehearsed) types of music.  I.E., Mercs/RCA Living Stereo minimalist miked  type things. That probably marginalizes ME a bit. I'm a fan of AT.  I have several of their mics, including a  pair of the 4050's, the single point 822 (I know it's getting long in the tooth but man does it a great job if you can't be picky about setup) and I'm quite fond of the AT-150MLX MM cart.  (I've owned at least a dozen of their cartridges and liked nearly all of them.)  So, please underestand that I'm not biased against the brand.  But the rest of what I have by them raises my expectations.  The price point thing is getting weird now, because there's spurts of (to me, at least) WILD street price inflation hitting us differently depending on what part of the Pacific rim items come from. (Japan's gone nuts, but only on certain things...strange...) Those Superlux 'phones are more or less about the same (but the other brand name they're being imported under is down around $30.00 or so shipped, or was..) These things are in flux now more than ever.  Peace...
Stephan
Stephan
^^^What the heck are you talking about? You're all over the place with that post, very hard to follow, and what you just said had nothing to do with your review, and you named dropped a semi famous musician for no apparent reason, I'm confused...
Zennheiser
Zennheiser
Interesting.  I said that I was a retired professional musician and teacher, and proffered the comment to provide some background on why I like what I like and how I came to like it. That was the only reason it was mentioned.  Roy Halee is NOT a famous musician. I know him because we met on a trumpet group and he private messaged me about some posts I had made pointing out why so many of the records he and Lou Waxman were involved with rank as some of the best sounding popular music records of their time and place, specifically on the label he worked for.   (They get reissued, i.e.,"Mo-Fi"-ed a LOT.) I didn't know he was a member there until he contacted me and a friendship was struck.   What he IS, is a well known Producer (Simon & Garfunkel, and B,S&T among others) which again, is why I included mentioning him. I addressed Koolpep's question regarding what music I listened to and what MY biases are.  (We all have them.)   My crucible is Real (acoustic) instruments in a real (if arbitrarily created, as in the case of Halee's pop recordings) space.  It was meant to be a civil reply to a comment I took at face value.  I don't expect everybody to like what I like.  It's irrational to think that everybody would.  I'm always listening and I like discussing music (in general) and gear (in general-unless it degrades into a P***ing contest, which is where I have no interest in seeing this discussion go.)  It's just one more opinion, but I made my living in Music and I trust my own perceptions. Which is what we all should do.  I've made no attacks on anyone's preferences.  I just spoke to mine.    If you like the AT Headphones, good on 'ya, man.  But I can't keep everything I try, so choices had to be made. Sorry that you had trouble understanding the context, especially since the reply was to satisfy a request FOR context.   The tone of your post tends to make me think that you don't care to understand.  The presentation of the headphones were "dry" (some might invoke the descriptor "threadbare".) Instruments sound thinner and "smaller" as opposed to creating the instrument in a way that allows the listener to suspend disbelief and the signal chain disappears.  So without trying to invoke more invective, for me, they lacked "transparency".  I was disappointed.  A lot of people aren't. I have no connection with Audio Technica whatsoever, other than as a retail customer.  It's one person's opinion.  

Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Excellent detail, good overall balance, extended HF response.
Cons: I didn't dislike the price I paid for the 668B, but they're now being imported into the US as Presonus HD7's. My box (from Taiwan) arrived crushed.
I apologize if I duplicate the findings of others. I read the other reviews, and I'm trying to address the things I thought haven't been talked about yet.
 
 
The current (it changes, it has too I guess) price (HD7 version) is 29.00 USD w/free shipping.  (Musician's Friend, and a few other "musician" websites.  NO CONNECTION.)
 
I had to wait quite a while to get them.  The Presonus HD7 option would've been faster, cheaper and less hazardous to the merchandise.  At least potentially.....
 
I used the center "pads" from the Velour aftermarket cups in addition to the Super Lux's own pads, and that made a perceptible difference in taming an EXTREMELY DETAILED (and clean) top octave (above 10,000 or so)  My experience was that I couldn't wear them for extended periods of time until I let them run for several days.  The bass is well controlled, and it has improved in dynamics (slam, if you will) over time.  It's no Ultrasone Pro 900 (It's not even a Senn 600 or 650 either at either frequency extreme) however the mids are quite full and (this word's a little annoying to objectivists, but it's not totally out of place) lush.
 
 
The trip from Taiwan was apparently fraught with hazards.  I'm going to contact the seller (Amazon) and look into what happened to the box (it took a HARD lick to its upper left hand side, the phones and accessories were fine though).  I feel certain they'll have no explanation.  I wouldn't if I'd sent something to Taiwan from here.  The 668B is a bargain at twice the price, but don't pay that much if you don't have to.
 
The driver reminds me (more than anything) of the driver from my first "high fidelity" headphones from the early '80's (I'd owned junk headphones before that) the Koss HV/XLC.  There was also a RS version of the same headphone, but without volume sliders on each cup.  (I owned both, until I bought my Senn HD-600's in the late '90's.)  The highs are more extended on the 668B, the Bass is about the same, but doesn't overdrive as easily as the Koss phones did.  (You could make the diaphragms of the HV/XLC "kack" with too much bass in the program material).
 
It's my first choice for "away from the house" needs, because if it gets trashed, it's not a $300.00 catastrophe.   That alone makes a strong case for its inclusion in your collection! 
Zennheiser
Zennheiser
I know I need to do an actual review of it.  I'm covered up now, but I'll get to it......
abm0
abm0
Uh-oh. At 195 hours of burn-in I randomly decided to use them to play CS:GO so as not to disturb the neighbors and I suddenly liked what I was hearing: the ear-piercing lobe at 6-7 kHz is mostly gone, the sibilance around 11 kHz is also almost gone, they're still bright but no longer so much that they can't be enjoyed, and now the only thing I can mention as a deficiency is 3-6 dB of missing bass around 100 Hz. I'll have to add something behind the pads to make them protrude more at the back so they hug my head better behind the jawline and see if that fixes the bass, but overall I'm now positively impressed with how far they extend toward both ends and how fast they respond (though I only have mediocre headsets to compare them to in my previous experience).
abm0
abm0
*how far they extend toward both ends of the frequency spectrum
 
It looks like these last 70-80 hours of playing only 20 Hz - 20 kHz frequency sweeps are what finally did the job of burning them in properly. The pink noise I was using for the first 50 hours rather made them worse, while playing actual music did mostly nothing for them. Frequency sweeps is where it's at.

Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Uncolored, even balance. Beautiful mids and detailed top octave. Well defined Bottom Octave.
Cons: Needs solid amplification to sound its best.
I bought these as a demo from Music Direct some years ago.  And they're still on the front lines of my headphone stable.  They're non-fatiguing, and exhibit an openness no other headphone (even the 650, which I also love, but it's not the same cup of tea....) I've heard has.   I prefer these for Orchestral and Chamber music.  I have a set of Ultrasone Pro 900's that seem to integrate well with Big Band Jazz (Ferguson, Gordon Goodwin, Bob Mintzer, Buddy Rich, etc.) I have used these to master recordings of my Brass Quintet and they've performed very well for me.  A stalwart!  While they do seem to benefit from good amplification, they're not so fussy that a compact mixer like an Allen & Heath (I've even used it on a small Mackie) can't do the job.

Zennheiser

Head-Fier
Pros: Bass Response, uncolored midrange, extended Highs
Cons: Can become uncomfortable over extended periods, a little "hot" around the ears.
I think they're five stars at the price I paid. I might have to trim a piece of a star at the MSRP. My two references are the Sennheiser 650 and the Ultrasone Pro 900's, but these are preferable for portable applications and have virtues of their own.  They have an "immediacy" that I assign to their efficiency, I am encouraged to listen at lower levels on these 'phones rather than turning them up to try to get them to "enunciate" or bloom.  It's an unexpected virtue.  The Pro 900's hit me more like ear "speakers".  The 650's are where I get the most "reference" bang for my buck.  (I vacillate between it and my 600's, which I've had over a decade.  To not sound identical, they both certainly are seductive.) So many Headphones, so little time.  (And cash.....)  Appearances (outside of not looking "cheap") aren't of great importance to me.  I'm definitely a "function" over "form" person.  Nobody likes "plug ugly", but if they're thoughtfully designed and executed I'm pretty easy to please.
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