SleepyOne
Headphoneus Supremus
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Uncle Erik Cheers re: inform on beach audio!
Originally Posted by Fido2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Good point Uncle E. I'm hoping this will be the case with the HD800...wink wink |
Originally Posted by vvanrij /img/forum/go_quote.gif Until you stop posting that, and start posting that you can't afford all these headphones, and then like 100's of posts. Then they must lower the prices |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif consider the GS-1000 vs RS-2 relationship (which is the same price differential Denon wanted for the D7000 vs D5000), think about how differently those two are regarded, you rarely hear anyone say its the same thing, sans packaging, while the D5000/D7000 is basically the same 'phone (there are minor differences, but we're talking +$200 minor, not +200% minor) |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif most other 'phones at a grand (to be blunt) smoke the D7000, at least in the eyes of many reviewers/etc... |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif ... find the older D2000 vs D5000 threads back in the day around the release, most were arguing that the sound is similar enough... ... they all use the same driver, have the same enclosure geometry, use the same quality of cable and jack, and same earpads... ... the only difference is price, earcups, and the termination of the D7000 cable (oh yeah, and the packaging of the D7000)... ... the earcup differences are between magnesium/plastic/whatever on the D2000 to the wood of the D5000 to the wood of the D7000 (which is more or less the D5000 earcup, with a bit better finishing and its been sealed)... ... now these differences ARE enough to make some changes happen between the 'phones, like I said they are different, but the price gaps are just too extreme, Denon is selling luxury and flash over diminishing returns of audio quality... ... the D7000 lists for around $1000 US, and offers minor cosmetic and functional (for example having a 1/4" termination) improvements over the D5000 which lists for around $600 US, the D5000 currently sells for around $450-$500 new, and the D7000 for around $600... ... that price delta is roughly fair imho (around $100), as the minor tweaks the D7000 offers are benefits (for example they did a better job finishing those cups, so you can't rub the lettering off in a week, and the 1/4 termination is what I'd expect on either 'phone at that price, the packaging is neither here nor there, because like priest said, its about $10 of gimmicks)... ... lets not get into the "these are better than these" or "these are the best headphone" discussions (or the "these are 90% as good as these"), because its all personal preference among the line, the only point I'm really trying to make is that the D7000 is massively overpriced, and bringing the price to $600 is fair... ... like priest said, nobody was biting at a grand... |
Originally Posted by Lamenthe /img/forum/go_quote.gif As a D7000 owner I entirely agree with your sentiments considering improvement value, however if you take a close look at retail prices: the D5000 is $699.99 and the D7000 $999.99. It's only a $300 difference, much inline with your last statement. In other words you're skewing the facts. You're talking about the street price of D5000's vs the retail price of D7000s. When comparing street prices right now the difference is even smaller: anywhere between $150-200. We all know and all the headphone companies know that their product will be heavily discounted eventually. So knowing that it's an inevitability, they jack up the retail. It's as simple as that. On top of that, you're getting the specifications wrong: the cans are not identical. The housing is indeed the same (save for the piano gloss finish), but the D7000's have a slightly different driver (again it's a minimal one, but nevertheless a good improvement) and an improved cable. I can understand your concern of fellow head-fier's getting ripped off, but please refrain from presenting half-truths so people can better decide if the extra ~$200 is worth it. |
Originally Posted by glitch39 /img/forum/go_quote.gif BeachAudio accepts PP also, so it would be a good protection if there are QC or delivery issues. Why pay extra for a new Markl D5000 when you can get a stock D7000 for less? |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif the 7N OFC vs OFC means nothing, unless you buy into cable hype (I don't, prove me wrong, scientifically please) I didn't know they had made driver changes, but if they have, its probably like Sennheiser making slight tweaks to the HD 650 drivers (the whole "new" vs "old" thing), it doesn't change the overall signature, it just slightly improves it, again, not a major difference (as you said) I did just take a peek at the MSRP for the D5k and see it at $699, thats absurd as well, I guess what I should've qualified my comparison as, as street pricing, given the D5k was at around $500 while the D7k was at around $1k, which is a $500 premium for something I'd view as a $50-$150 upgrade, now that the prices have come in-line with this, it seems more "fair" as far as "provide me some reviews where the D7k gets smoked", it isn't about Car & Driver style benchmarks, I'm saying in regards to my personal preference, and a lot of reading around these parts and others (with other ~$1k range 'phones), the D7k's come up short consider that for around $1k you can also get: ATH-W5000 K1000 GS-1000 ATH-W11 ATH-W10 vintage RS-1 (or new RS-1) HE60 (raw phones I've seen at around $1.6k, w/amp puts it over $2k tho, so not entirely a fair comparison) ESP-950 various entry Stax combos (new and vintage) HP-DX1000 tell me you still want the slightly tweaked sound of the D2000 for that kind of money... |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif the 7N OFC vs OFC means nothing, unless you buy into cable hype (I don't, prove me wrong, scientifically please) |
ATH-W5000 K1000 GS-1000 ATH-W11 ATH-W10 vintage RS-1 (or new RS-1) HE60 (raw phones I've seen at around $1.6k, w/amp puts it over $2k tho, so not entirely a fair comparison) ESP-950 various entry Stax combos (new and vintage) HP-DX1000 |
tell me you still want the slightly tweaked sound of the D2000 for that kind of money... |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif as far as "provide me some reviews where the D7k gets smoked", it isn't about Car & Driver style benchmarks, I'm saying in regards to my personal preference, and a lot of reading around these parts and others (with other ~$1k range 'phones), the D7k's come up short |
Originally Posted by obobskivich /img/forum/go_quote.gif consider that for around $1k you can also get: ATH-W5000 K1000 GS-1000 ATH-W11 ATH-W10 vintage RS-1 (or new RS-1) HE60 (raw phones I've seen at around $1.6k, w/amp puts it over $2k tho, so not entirely a fair comparison) ESP-950 various entry Stax combos (new and vintage) HP-DX1000 tell me you still want the slightly tweaked sound of the D2000 for that kind of money... |