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post #1441 of 2429

Fantastic comparison. Very much appreciated! Thank you. The DJ's sound like a HFI-780 with the bass impact and aggressive, weighty sound, without the glaring treble. Can't wait to get a pair and compare them to my T5p.

post #1442 of 2429
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Originally Posted by UNIFi View Post
 

Been listening to both the TH600 and Sig DJ for some time now. There a definite differences despite sharing a U shaped response.

 

The TH600

- Has a larger soundstage and more open sound overall - as expected because they have small ports to let sound out and air in. The openness and soundstage size are instantly recognizable as being better/larger than the DJ

- Both have fantastic separation but the TH600 has instruments and sounds with larger gaps between them overall. This is mostly just a soundstage size/space affecting the imaging.

- The TH600 has more prominent treble, which can be quite splashy and harsh at the worst of times. I like to describe some of these harsh tones as being almost glass like as if someone smashed a bottle next to your ears. I'm not noting sibilant but a very hard and hot edge. However this harshness manifests only on about 1/15 of my tracks and on some that it appears its not as bad as it can get. I've seen graphs showing up a hardness in the 5-6 KHZ range which agrees with my ears.

- The TH600 has a thin sounding midrange, vocals were noticeably back and with a larger soundstage can sound a bit further back in the sound. On the flipside, listening to certain classical and also electronic ambient/psy albums you get a fair bit of depth that the Sig DJ doesn't match. The DJ by comparison seems more upfront and a bit more aggressive in the mids, guitars and vocals.

- The TH600 has some fairly strong sub bass rumble and you can feel the bass tickle your skin at higher volume, but it does not impact very hard. More than most other 1k headphones but not nearly as impacting as the Signature DJ

- The TH600 is much more comfortable and feels fairly loose on the head. 

- The TH600 doesn't isolate well and leaks sound quite a bit. High volume bleeds like an open headphone.

- Forget using the TH600 outside, its also a fair bit bigger than the Sig DJ. 

 

Signature DJ

- Drill like bass impact. The bass on these hits very hard when listening to trance, dubstep and other EDM genres with those continuous low bass beats that we all love on our subwoofers. The impact is much more powerful than the TH600.

- On the other hand the very very lowest bass does not give the same pulsating vibration as the TH600, the Sig DJ must have a curve upward around 50hz - 80hz or something similar. Not saying you won't feel it but as the TH600 has less impact you can focus more in on the low 20-40hz sound in artists like Synthetic Epiphany - Check wind in the trees or similar.

- For me personally the Signature DJ has far more aggression to its sound and is more weighty, forward and powerful. The TH600 seems thinner and more laid back despite its bass and treble elevations. Both are fun and forward compared to other "analytic headphones" of course, but non of us are interested in that are we :D

- The Sig DJ leaks very little to no sound and can isolate train noise, cars, talking and such when music is playing in a sinch. 

- The Signature DJ can be used portable to get result, but you will get a few looks from people because they are still rather large compared to some other portables and they stand out being mostly white.

- I find the DJ comfortable, but I have small ears. But you will remember you are wearing them as they clamp solidly. 

- The DJ with its more forward sound kicks the TH600 arse for rock, metal and genres as such. The TH600 might get away with being "ok" for soundtracks and classical - but its mids lack the presence to give this absolutely the best treatment.

- I never found the Sig DJ to have any treble problems, even though it is *slightly* elevated. Much more smooth and agreeable than the TH600. 

- Bass guitar and drums are way heftier sounding than on the TH600 which for whatever reason seems to lack bottom end to guitars, voices and Bass guitars/drums. I've seen this on another sites measurements which show a scooped out lower mid/midbass range.

 

 

I'm keeping both, but overall I prefer the DJ. The TH600 will get its use for expansive stuff like Shpongle, Solar Fields, Global Communications, Future Sound of London etc.

 

I have the TH-900s and the SigDJ for quite a long time now. I agree with most points you have mentioned despite the difference between the TH-900/TH-600.

 

There's one particular point that I'd like to highlight and that's the bolded comment. At least with the bass decay on the TH-900, I feel it's got a longer bass decay than the SigDJ so I agree that the SigDJ feels snappier than therefore possibly more aggression. As much as I love my TH-900s I do find certain genre like hiphop, etc. is more natural on the SigDJ whereas the TH-900's try to put a little too much "class" in it. But for 80's pop I prefer the TH-900s instead.

post #1443 of 2429
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNIFi View Post
 

Been listening to both the TH600 and Sig DJ for some time now. There a definite differences despite sharing a U shaped response.

 

The TH600

- Has a larger soundstage and more open sound overall - as expected because they have small ports to let sound out and air in. The openness and soundstage size are instantly recognizable as being better/larger than the DJ

- Both have fantastic separation but the TH600 has instruments and sounds with larger gaps between them overall. This is mostly just a soundstage size/space affecting the imaging.

- The TH600 has more prominent treble, which can be quite splashy and harsh at the worst of times. I like to describe some of these harsh tones as being almost glass like as if someone smashed a bottle next to your ears. I'm not noting sibilant but a very hard and hot edge. However this harshness manifests only on about 1/15 of my tracks and on some that it appears its not as bad as it can get. I've seen graphs showing up a hardness in the 5-6 KHZ range which agrees with my ears.

- The TH600 has a thin sounding midrange, vocals were noticeably back and with a larger soundstage can sound a bit further back in the sound. On the flipside, listening to certain classical and also electronic ambient/psy albums you get a fair bit of depth that the Sig DJ doesn't match. The DJ by comparison seems more upfront and a bit more aggressive in the mids, guitars and vocals.

- The TH600 has some fairly strong sub bass rumble and you can feel the bass tickle your skin at higher volume, but it does not impact very hard. More than most other 1k headphones but not nearly as impacting as the Signature DJ

- The TH600 is much more comfortable and feels fairly loose on the head. 

- The TH600 doesn't isolate well and leaks sound quite a bit. High volume bleeds like an open headphone.

- Forget using the TH600 outside, its also a fair bit bigger than the Sig DJ. 

 

Signature DJ

- Drill like bass impact. The bass on these hits very hard when listening to trance, dubstep and other EDM genres with those continuous low bass beats that we all love on our subwoofers. The impact is much more powerful than the TH600.

- On the other hand the very very lowest bass does not give the same pulsating vibration as the TH600, the Sig DJ must have a curve upward around 50hz - 80hz or something similar. Not saying you won't feel it but as the TH600 has less impact you can focus more in on the low 20-40hz sound in artists like Synthetic Epiphany - Check wind in the trees or similar.

- For me personally the Signature DJ has far more aggression to its sound and is more weighty, forward and powerful. The TH600 seems thinner and more laid back despite its bass and treble elevations. Both are fun and forward compared to other "analytic headphones" of course, but non of us are interested in that are we :D

- The Sig DJ leaks very little to no sound and can isolate train noise, cars, talking and such when music is playing in a sinch. 

- The Signature DJ can be used portable to get result, but you will get a few looks from people because they are still rather large compared to some other portables and they stand out being mostly white.

- I find the DJ comfortable, but I have small ears. But you will remember you are wearing them as they clamp solidly. 

- The DJ with its more forward sound kicks the TH600 arse for rock, metal and genres as such. The TH600 might get away with being "ok" for soundtracks and classical - but its mids lack the presence to give this absolutely the best treatment.

- I never found the Sig DJ to have any treble problems, even though it is *slightly* elevated. Much more smooth and agreeable than the TH600. 

- Bass guitar and drums are way heftier sounding than on the TH600 which for whatever reason seems to lack bottom end to guitars, voices and Bass guitars/drums. I've seen this on another sites measurements which show a scooped out lower mid/midbass range.

 

 

I'm keeping both, but overall I prefer the DJ. The TH600 will get its use for expansive stuff like Shpongle, Solar Fields, Global Communications, Future Sound of London etc.

 

Nice comparo!!!

 

Thanks.

post #1444 of 2429
I will definitely give the Sig Dj a good listen tonight. Thanks for doing this comparison.
post #1445 of 2429
Wonderful comparison indeed!
post #1446 of 2429
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNIFi View Post
 

Been listening to both the TH600 and Sig DJ for some time now. There a definite differences despite sharing a U shaped response.

 

The TH600

- Has a larger soundstage and more open sound overall - as expected because they have small ports to let sound out and air in. The openness and soundstage size are instantly recognizable as being better/larger than the DJ

- Both have fantastic separation but the TH600 has instruments and sounds with larger gaps between them overall. This is mostly just a soundstage size/space affecting the imaging.

- The TH600 has more prominent treble, which can be quite splashy and harsh at the worst of times. I like to describe some of these harsh tones as being almost glass like as if someone smashed a bottle next to your ears. I'm not noting sibilant but a very hard and hot edge. However this harshness manifests only on about 1/15 of my tracks and on some that it appears its not as bad as it can get. I've seen graphs showing up a hardness in the 5-6 KHZ range which agrees with my ears.

- The TH600 has a thin sounding midrange, vocals were noticeably back and with a larger soundstage can sound a bit further back in the sound. On the flipside, listening to certain classical and also electronic ambient/psy albums you get a fair bit of depth that the Sig DJ doesn't match. The DJ by comparison seems more upfront and a bit more aggressive in the mids, guitars and vocals.

- The TH600 has some fairly strong sub bass rumble and you can feel the bass tickle your skin at higher volume, but it does not impact very hard. More than most other 1k headphones but not nearly as impacting as the Signature DJ

- The TH600 is much more comfortable and feels fairly loose on the head. 

- The TH600 doesn't isolate well and leaks sound quite a bit. High volume bleeds like an open headphone.

- Forget using the TH600 outside, its also a fair bit bigger than the Sig DJ. 

 

Signature DJ

- Drill like bass impact. The bass on these hits very hard when listening to trance, dubstep and other EDM genres with those continuous low bass beats that we all love on our subwoofers. The impact is much more powerful than the TH600.

- On the other hand the very very lowest bass does not give the same pulsating vibration as the TH600, the Sig DJ must have a curve upward around 50hz - 80hz or something similar. Not saying you won't feel it but as the TH600 has less impact you can focus more in on the low 20-40hz sound in artists like Synthetic Epiphany - Check wind in the trees or similar.

- For me personally the Signature DJ has far more aggression to its sound and is more weighty, forward and powerful. The TH600 seems thinner and more laid back despite its bass and treble elevations. Both are fun and forward compared to other "analytic headphones" of course, but non of us are interested in that are we :D

- The Sig DJ leaks very little to no sound and can isolate train noise, cars, talking and such when music is playing in a sinch. 

- The Signature DJ can be used portable to get result, but you will get a few looks from people because they are still rather large compared to some other portables and they stand out being mostly white.

- I find the DJ comfortable, but I have small ears. But you will remember you are wearing them as they clamp solidly. 

- The DJ with its more forward sound kicks the TH600 arse for rock, metal and genres as such. The TH600 might get away with being "ok" for soundtracks and classical - but its mids lack the presence to give this absolutely the best treatment.

- I never found the Sig DJ to have any treble problems, even though it is *slightly* elevated. Much more smooth and agreeable than the TH600. 

- Bass guitar and drums are way heftier sounding than on the TH600 which for whatever reason seems to lack bottom end to guitars, voices and Bass guitars/drums. I've seen this on another sites measurements which show a scooped out lower mid/midbass range.

 

 

I'm keeping both, but overall I prefer the DJ. The TH600 will get its use for expansive stuff like Shpongle, Solar Fields, Global Communications, Future Sound of London etc.

 

Someone told that the LCD-2 has more impact and rumble than TH-600. Sounds true now !

post #1447 of 2429
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

I have the TH-900s and the SigDJ for quite a long time now. I agree with most points you have mentioned despite the difference between the TH-900/TH-600.

 

There's one particular point that I'd like to highlight and that's the bolded comment. At least with the bass decay on the TH-900, I feel it's got a longer bass decay than the SigDJ so I agree that the SigDJ feels snappier than therefore possibly more aggression. As much as I love my TH-900s I do find certain genre like hiphop, etc. is more natural on the SigDJ whereas the TH-900's try to put a little too much "class" in it. But for 80's pop I prefer the TH-900s instead.

 

What are the difference between both ? Vocals,Treble, Soundstage, Instrument separation etc. ?

post #1448 of 2429
Well if the measurements I've seen are accurate the TH600 should be a fair bit bassier than the LCD which is flat from bass to mids. The 600 is definitely above flat in the bass compared to the mid range, i assume the Sig DJ would measure as being more bassy still even if its only within the 40-100 hz range or similar.

Considering on the people mentioned the DX1000 in the same breath as these I looked up to see if any measurements were done and it appears that there was one done. Looks like a dark bass head can with emphasized mids. Never heard it though, might consider it down the line. The Shure 1540 piques interest as well.
post #1449 of 2429
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNIFi View Post

Well if the measurements I've seen are accurate the TH600 should be a fair bit bassier than the LCD which is flat from bass to mids. The 600 is definitely above flat in the bass compared to the mid range, i assume the Sig DJ would measure as being more bassy still even if its only within the 40-100 hz range or similar.

Considering on the people mentioned the DX1000 in the same breath as these I looked up to see if any measurements were done and it appears that there was one done. Looks like a dark bass head can with emphasized mids. Never heard it though, might consider it down the line. The Shure 1540 piques interest as well.


Do you like the vocals on the fostex or the ultrasone ?

post #1450 of 2429

On both vocals are a bit further back in the overall sound, I don't think either would be the king of vocal performance. I find the TH600 to lack a bit of bottom end for male vocals making them slightly less authoritative while the DJ is fuller in this region and makes males a bit powerful/throaty. Female vocals is about a tie for me - Audio Technica's W1000x and W3000ANV should best them for female vocal's I'd imagine.

post #1451 of 2429

Thanks for the comparison UNIFi! Now I also know which ones would suit me better, in this case Signature DJs for sure. My only real worry about those still are that mids aren't forward enough, I tend to like a very upfront sound signature but I still like my bass (Signature DJ quantities roughly). When I listen though I want the feeling that I'm on the stage sort of rather than sitting in the backrows in a concert. I want a reasonably aggressive but not bright, the mids and highs should be in balance but I don't like hearing a large distance to the vocalists etc and don't like overly thin sounding vocals either.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/22/14 at 12:09am
post #1452 of 2429

Has anyone compared the Sig DJ to the NAD HP50?

post #1453 of 2429

Very unfortunate the pricing increase here in Australia from Addicted to Audio. I'm lucky I got the DJ before they just hiked the price to $1400 and the Signature Pro to $1800. The ED 8 is selling at $2000 and $2500 for Romeo. LCD2 $1500 and $2585 for LCD3. $1300 for a TH600. Farcical price hike.

 

For comparison the TH900 is $1750 on the site and TH600 for $1300. I'm lucky to buy a $700 dollar second hand TH600 here. I would not have considered it at $1300.

 

At least there is Headphonic who out competes many of their prices. Jaben is useless online.

post #1454 of 2429
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 

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Your new earpads for the Sig Pro look just like mine! The quality is just amazing on those and probably worth every penny even though they're pricey. I had no idea leather could feel this nice.

post #1455 of 2429
I dont know if i posted this before, but i did a comparison of the dido d901s to the signature djs :3

This is my full comparison/review of the didos vs the signature djs

I simply used an iphone 4 to run both headphones, and sorry about the bad grammar.

So, lets get started. I just decided going in a list of each part of the headphones would be most efficient and informative.

Looks: The didos are absolutely sexy. No comparison needed here.

Comfort: Although neither headphones are pillows, i would choose the djs over the didos as they arent heavy, and have alot more swiveling on the earcups.

Durability: although both headphones are TANKS, i do have to say i would be more confident throwing the didos at a wall than my djs

Now, to the fun part ^.^

Sound! Lets start with the bass for fun!

BASS: The signature dj tends to have just as much if not more impact if there are multiple frequencies of bass at a time, or when the bass is being played faster (like on murked by moshalah), but the didos trump them on impact and amount (by alot!) on slower, more one note bass on songs like rah! By dj pyro and butterfly by bassnectar. Even warhorse by them lost boys and gummy has better bass on the didos as the bass was mixed well enough with the rest of the song to not be too 'complicated'. Essentially, the djs have more flexible bass while the didos are slower and more powerful, as long as the songs arent too fast or intricate. The didos still have great bass on the songs that have complicated or speedy bass, but i find the djs better in that regard.

One thing i find about the didos is that they tend to make bass the center focus of almost every song, causing songs like in my eyes by mitis or let it be by blackmill (which have some bass, but just for atmosphere) to seem extremely bassy and it loses some of the 'in a trance' effect.

Mids: the mids on the djs are fuller and 'lusher' to my ears.

Soundstage: I find the soundstage and imaging to be greater on the djs, but the didos do have a soundstage that is "outside of your head" and is very good for a closed headphone.

Treble: As far as treble goes, as long as you get a good fit it isnt piercing or distracting, and they have maybe a bit more treble than the djs but its hardly noticable.

Value: honestly, these are both triple a triple plus cans that would make any basshead happy, and i think they are both worth their price, respectively.

Overall, if you listen to music that is centered around the bass moreso than not, and isnt 'speedy', i would choose the didos over the djs, but otherwise the djs tend to do better on anything atmospheric, fast, or simply not 'centered' on the bass.

I prefer the didos for Rap, pop, hip hop, slower bassy dubstep, hardstyle and trap while the signature djs would be better for pretty much anything else.

This was made after about 12 hours of listening time on the didos.
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