X3 Optical Output won't work
Aug 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM Post #16 of 36
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1. The Coax Out works perfectly with my Amplifier resulting in a very impressive reproduction of my Studio Master collection, maybe just a tad bright but that maybe because I am hearing frequencies that I haven't heard through my speakers before. NOTE - 196kHz files will not play via the coax but are fine via headphones and line out. These files play fine when the PC is the source.  - Fault one mainly resolved.
 

 
I assume you mean 192kHz?
 
Anyway, I have issue on certain 24/192 files as well. But fix it by re-encoding it using Xrecode II.
 
Aug 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM Post #17 of 36
Yep 192 :) Thanks for the tip I will give it a try. I have tried re-encoding with JRiver and also saving them through Audacity but to no avail.
 
Update: Just tried it on one track and it made no difference. The 192kHz file will only play via headphones and line out and not via coax out.
 
Aug 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM Post #18 of 36
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Yep 192 :) Thanks for the tip I will give it a try. I have tried re-encoding with JRiver and also saving them through Audacity but to no avail.
 
Update: Just tried it on one track and it made no difference. The 192kHz file will only play via headphones and line out and not via coax out.

 
already PM
 
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Aug 19, 2013 at 3:36 AM Post #19 of 36
James, just replied to your PM and am uploading 3 files to my Dropbox account. I have sent you the links but please leave it about another hour before attempting to download them. I hope they will help you work out what is happening. I am sending you:
 
1. One of the original 96kHz tracks that locks the X3
2. The same file re-saved via Audacity that now plays OK
3. A sample of one of the 192kHz files that won't play via coax out but will play via headphones and line out.
 
Aug 19, 2013 at 6:22 AM Post #20 of 36
I have copied the 96kHz Rod Stewart files to a new 64gb card received from Amazon this morning but they still won't play, only the ones re-saved via Audacity work. The good news is that the card formatted and was read by the X3 without problem.
 

[size=1.7em] Sandisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 Micro SD Card with SD Adapter - FFP[/size]

 
Aug 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM Post #21 of 36
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I have copied the 96kHz Rod Stewart files to a new 64gb card received from Amazon this morning but they still won't play, only the ones re-saved via Audacity work. The good news is that the card formatted and was read by the X3 without problem.
 

[size=1.7em] Sandisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 Micro SD Card with SD Adapter - FFP[/size]


 
we have downloaded the 192k/24b FLAC music which you uploaded , and connected to our E17 and have not problem to play the music and output to E17 and get the sound from E17.
 
please checked your device again to see whether it is the problem of your device.
 
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Aug 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM Post #22 of 36
Thank you James. I have contacted the manufacturer of my amplifier to see if they can help.  Once you have tested the 96kHz file that freezes my X3 I would like to know if it freezes your too. If it doesn't then it looks like I have a second faulty X3 :frowning2:
 
Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM Post #23 of 36
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Thank you James. I have contacted the manufacturer of my amplifier to see if they can help.  Once you have tested the 96kHz file that freezes my X3 I would like to know if it freezes your too. If it doesn't then it looks like I have a second faulty X3 :frowning2:

 
sorry, the test was't done by our QC engineer and they just told me we have not problem to play the 192k/24b music through the coaxial out in X3.
 
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Aug 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM Post #24 of 36
just check your device and get some specification as below:
 
[size=x-small]DAC[/size]
4 Digital Inputs: 1 USB, 1 Coax, 1 Optical, 1 iPod Dock​
Crystal 4398 DAC​
24 bit/96 kHz Upsampling​
 
Seems it does not support 192K/24B playback , you can check it in http://www.peachtreeaudio.com/musicbox-amplifier-with-dac.html
 
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Aug 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM Post #25 of 36
James
 
you are correct, the guys at Peachtree got back to me and said the same. They said that the 192/24 files play back via line out because the internal DAC in the Peachtree is being bypassed. 
 
Now there is just the issue to sort out as to why the 96kHz files from the Rod Stewart album won't play without going through Audacity.
 
Aug 20, 2013 at 12:04 AM Post #26 of 36
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James
 
you are correct, the guys at Peachtree got back to me and said the same. They said that the 192/24 files play back via line out because the internal DAC in the Peachtree is being bypassed. 
 
Now there is just the issue to sort out as to why the 96kHz files from the Rod Stewart album won't play without going through Audacity.

 
you can check the album and see whether it is embedded a cover which is higher than X3 can handle.  and please help me read careful about the user manual inside X3 . although I will try my best to help you . but it can save sometime for both. for example , just check the specification of the music box in their website, 
 
it is quite easy for you .  
 
anyway, I am not complain to you , just let you know I can spend time at each user. lol. so sometime I can get back to you in time. 
 
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Aug 20, 2013 at 4:12 AM Post #27 of 36
Hi James
 
With my X3 came a leaflet recommending I buy from HDTracks.com which I assume that because FIIO put it in the box, must be a recommended source of music. This is where I bought the Rod Stewart album that caused the problems. In the instructions that came with the X3 it does say 'there is a size limit of 100kb for the cover. Unfortunately (and if this is indeed the issue) HDTracks do not say how large the cover art is in kb. They do say it contains Hi Res cover art but as the do with 'Atlantic Crossing' another Rod Stewart album I bought at the same time which works fine. 
 
So unless the supplier (your recommended one) actually publishes the size of the embeded cover art, how are X3 users to know if the file is too big or not?
 
With regard to the Peachtree Audio amplifier. You are correct in stating that users should check compatibility with their supplier of hardware. Unfortunately I bought mine from eBay without instructions and when I went to their website I could not find my model (I later found it under discontinued models) and that is why I emailed them to ask for their help. You found the reason for the issue before I got a response to my email which confirmed what you said.
 
However James the bottom line is this, You are selling a consumer audio product through main stream outlets such as amazon. The level of technical expertise expected by their customers is (and should be) very small. It should be possible to load any SD card up to 64gb with any music they have bought and it should play. That is really it, as simple as that. Your supplied instructions are very thin on detail. I cannot see any warning anywhere in the pre-sales information that tells me some of the HD music I have legally purchased will not work because the cover art is too big. And how would the average consumer know anyway?
 
I am fortunate that technical skills I have in another area have allowed me to start to learn fairly quickly about audio, but just as you would not expect someone buying a car to be a mechanic you should not expect your customers to be audio engineers. 
 
The X3 produces excellent music and I think it is worth the effort but I can tell you that I have spent more time in the past 5 days with the X3 learning about audio formats etc than since my first iPod bought Christmas 2001.
 
Finally you should also know that culturally all men in the West think they are born with the innate ability to operate any machine or electronic gadget without the need for instructions and instructions are only used as a last resort when things go wrong. While I am joking this is in practice actually true. Western women when buying something new will tak time to read the instructions to find out how everything works but men just open the box take the thing out and try and use it without reading the instructions :) 
 
Aug 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM Post #28 of 36
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They might not have made an good enough effort on the manual, but in the digital edge I think any gadget user needs to be just a little bit tech savy as well. The assumption of no-needing to read instruction is really too yesterday, and one shouldn't expect a digital gear to be universally compatible to everything in the market. I don't think even Apple or Sony has ever claimed they have made a foolproof products.
 
Anyway, album art can be reconverted to a smaller size easily using free third party software.
 
Aug 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM Post #29 of 36
Technically the X3 is miles ahead of the iPod and other portable players I have tried in terms of quality of playback, I would not argue about that. Free software is available for a variety of functions but surely a buyer of a consumer product should not be expected to trawl the internet to find utilities to perform standard (ie operations required to make the thing work) functions.
 
Just looking at the 'gadgets' I have bought recently, a Kindle, a Nexus 7, a couple of Sony cameras, a new washing machine and a Canon printer. All have been supplied with the software to make them work where required. I cannot imagine buying a printer and having to google the drivers to make it work or any digital camera having the same SD card issues the X3 has. And I would have certainly complained if I had to download a patch to get my washing machine to wash white clothes. 
 
As to the manual, I'm sure it can be revised as time goes by. I have plenty of friends who have absolutely no interest in the technical side of how things work, and have no wish to learn either. Are you suggesting that this huge pool of potential customers for the FIIO X3 should be excluded because there is an expectation by FIIO that their customers have a certain level of technical expertise? 
 
Aug 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM Post #30 of 36
To take the printer analogy - you are just lucky that your PC has no problem with it, and I am sure the majority should have no problem with their Canon printer as well. But if you google, you will still find plenty of complaints on people buying a Canon printer that won't work on first plug in. Well, perhaps 'you are lucky' is not the right description, but more like unlucky for those minority. I think that's my point - you can not expect everything to work out of the box when you (as in any consumer) are dealing with tech stuff, and must at least expect some problem solving on your part if problem arises. As you have said, no one don't need to be a car mechanic to drive a car. But if a car driver has no clue on inner car working at all, I'll at least expect (s)he be smart enough to have a plan for breaks down. Because the one thing a car driver should never expect is a car that never breaks down.
 

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