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His amps are made out of recycled beer cans
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Looks and performance are not necessarily equivalent.......
Woo Wes or BHSE
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His amps are made out of recycled beer cans
There were so many interesting headphones and amps in the Woo Audio room that I did not even notice the new electrostatic amp. Would have liked to listen to it. Next year!
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Woooo may be proven to people “ears”
BHSE Is proven by both DIY folks and their ears.
Enough said !
BHSE Is proven by both DIY folks and their ears.
Enough said !
The 3ES is still not being shipped yet right? Woo site lists it as will be shipped in June 2018.
I don't think the Woo bashing thing is appropriate, since each manufacturers cater to different market. Lacking opportunity to audition all the available top electrostatic amp available, people will based their buying options on whatever information that they find most appealing. We have to admit that the newly launched Woo website is much more attractive than Headamp website.
Visually, 3ES is also more attractive than the Hawaii. And lets not go to the DIY amp such T2s or Carbons. As good as they sound, for a high thousand dollars amp they are ugly. Also if you're ready to pay this much money for an amp, you don't exactly want it to look like other people's amp. As scarce as Hawaii is in real world, in Head-fi realm it could be considered a mainstream electrostat amp. I'd like to take the 3ES as a call to the DIY amp builders to upgrade the visual part of their amp.
I don't think the Woo bashing thing is appropriate, since each manufacturers cater to different market. Lacking opportunity to audition all the available top electrostatic amp available, people will based their buying options on whatever information that they find most appealing. We have to admit that the newly launched Woo website is much more attractive than Headamp website.
Visually, 3ES is also more attractive than the Hawaii. And lets not go to the DIY amp such T2s or Carbons. As good as they sound, for a high thousand dollars amp they are ugly. Also if you're ready to pay this much money for an amp, you don't exactly want it to look like other people's amp. As scarce as Hawaii is in real world, in Head-fi realm it could be considered a mainstream electrostat amp. I'd like to take the 3ES as a call to the DIY amp builders to upgrade the visual part of their amp.
JimL11
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Well, of course aesthetics is subjective, but having seen both in person, I'm not convinced that Woo's tubes sticking out of a box is any more attractive than Blue Hawaii's tubes sticking out of a box. Nor am I convinced by the argument that someone paying for an expensive box wants it to look different than other people's expensive box. That seems rather superficial to me.
As to Woo bashing, the original GES used output plate resistors, and was a decent amp for the price, based on a Kevin Gilmore design. The WES used output choke loading, which is a curious choice for electrostatic amps, since electrostatic headphones are extremely high impedance at low frequencies, just where chokes have their lowest impedance, resulting in poor power transfer, particularly since 50% of the power spectrum in music lies below 300-500 Hz. Reviews of its subjective qualities have been mixed. Given the record, I don't think that skepticism of a new design is unwarranted.
AFAIK, the only other choices for output loading are constant current sources or output transformers, which is anything but "proprietary" technology. With constant current sources, the available amount of gain using two 6SN7 voltage gain tubes and two 300B output tubes is borderline even without the use of overall negative feedback, raising questions of gain stability. Now, a low winding ratio output transformer, e.g. 1:2, would not be unreasonable, trading off some of the relatively low voltage limits of the 300B output tube for the higher than needed quiescent current that is optimal for a 300B tube.
Finally, Woo has been notoriously sloppy about specifying appropriate value bias supply output resistors in the past, a simple but telling indication of caring about proper design. It costs nothing extra to use a 5 megohm bias resistor for Stax and a 10 megohm bias resistor for Sennheiser stat headphones.
As to Woo bashing, the original GES used output plate resistors, and was a decent amp for the price, based on a Kevin Gilmore design. The WES used output choke loading, which is a curious choice for electrostatic amps, since electrostatic headphones are extremely high impedance at low frequencies, just where chokes have their lowest impedance, resulting in poor power transfer, particularly since 50% of the power spectrum in music lies below 300-500 Hz. Reviews of its subjective qualities have been mixed. Given the record, I don't think that skepticism of a new design is unwarranted.
AFAIK, the only other choices for output loading are constant current sources or output transformers, which is anything but "proprietary" technology. With constant current sources, the available amount of gain using two 6SN7 voltage gain tubes and two 300B output tubes is borderline even without the use of overall negative feedback, raising questions of gain stability. Now, a low winding ratio output transformer, e.g. 1:2, would not be unreasonable, trading off some of the relatively low voltage limits of the 300B output tube for the higher than needed quiescent current that is optimal for a 300B tube.
Finally, Woo has been notoriously sloppy about specifying appropriate value bias supply output resistors in the past, a simple but telling indication of caring about proper design. It costs nothing extra to use a 5 megohm bias resistor for Stax and a 10 megohm bias resistor for Sennheiser stat headphones.
The Woo 3ES will be 9K (after the pre-order price ends) which means that it needs to be competitive with a DIY T2 in terms of sonics.
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Nobody can seriously think the 3ES looks better than Justin's BHSE...right?
astrostar59
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We have been here before with this so many times. It is best to ask, where are the owners of the WES, and where are the glowing reviews?
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Gosh I love this thread .
Count me in for thinking the 3ES is superior.
It's a gorgeous piece of art .
This ****tard says it's good.
Count me in for thinking the 3ES is superior.
It's a gorgeous piece of art .
This ****tard says it's good.
BHSE has blue, just cool.
I prefer Ges to Wes both are inferior to BHSE to quite a large margin though
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