Leporello
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Ahh, the subjectivist appeal to goosebumps. The are variants of this of course: dropping jaw, big grin on the face, toe tapping. All very empty and sentimental.
Why 24 bit audio and anything over 48k is not only worthless, but bad for music.
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Headphoneus Supremus
Don’t forget “even my wife can hear it”.
bigshot
Headphoneus Supremus
Or try to apply it to a different subject/listener.
You don’t have to reply to every post. I think a lot of us would agree that it’s past time for you to sit down and hush for a while. You’re being more of a distraction than leading the conversation.
You don’t have to reply to every post. I think a lot of us would agree that it’s past time for you to sit down and hush for a while. You’re being more of a distraction than leading the conversation.
Someone in this thread mentioned passive aggressive. I wonder if this could be it. Going on about how any measurements in noise signals with digital devices should influence sound based on one's feelings. When going further about how this doesn't make sense logically: now claiming it's placebo (from the poster saying they're the one who believes there's differences because of subjective feeling). "placebo effect" or "expectation bias"....the premise is really lipstick on a pig: no where in science would you first observe what minute differences in noise floor there could be and then conclude "I feel I should hear a difference in this with the DAC".
Placebo effect (I wouldn't call it expectation bias since there are circumstances like the cable swapping using ZMF Atrium Open where no matter how much I forcefully use my expectation bias, I cannot tell a difference whatsoever) where you're in the "zone" is one heck of a tool for detecting audible differences in DAC filters or cable swap using Susvara or ethernet filters, etc
What does that even mean ?
Placebo is not a tool, it is an impediment to genuine understanding.
I think your above comments only serve to indicate that you underestimate the impact of psychology on audio perception and seemingly assume that you have some level of control over it.
You don't have any control over it with normal sighted listening and one has to wonder just how much of what you "hear" is real and what is make believe, despite that you think your Susvara are some kind of stethoscope into audio equipment.
How many ways and topics are you intending to find to have the same general conversation, don't you have anything better to do ?
Placebo is not a tool, it is an impediment to genuine understanding.
I think your above comments only serve to indicate that you underestimate the impact of psychology on audio perception and seemingly assume that you have some level of control over it.
You don't have any control over it with normal sighted listening and one has to wonder just how much of what you "hear" is real and what is make believe, despite that you think your Susvara are some kind of stethoscope into audio equipment.
How many ways and topics are you intending to find to have the same general conversation, don't you have anything better to do ?
Yet throughout this thread you've gone on about how all your observations are sighted. Be it your random measurements of noise at a DAC or cable swapping. Your insistence of not wanting to understand baseline signal measurements with a DAC, and have basically said that this random noise floor must make it into digital audio based on your feelings. That belief is definitely a bias....I just am not sure how one could classify it. Lipstick on pig is most colorful euphemism: expectation bias might be closest classification of a bias.
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I consider sight as a tool which you already know from my previous posts. Audio manufacturers do the same, simple as that.
You can control placebo and that's especially observed in clinical trials in medicine. A sick patient has a higher chance of feeling better or full recovery if he/she is more hopeful that he/she is being fed with real drugs (obviously they have to take the drugs and hope in their mind have the real drugs) even if it's just placebo. Can also be applied to audio IMHO
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Please don't mention medicine: I'm involved with medical communications....and your posts are the farthest things from medical science. The use of "placebo" is during clinical trials, and is a way to make sure a drug is effective compared to a control. It's about another study in medicine known as surveillance. Your insistence of some sighted item that looks like it must be better audio has no correlation with any science: especially medicine.
None of that makes you right, I think it makes you misguided to be quite honest.
Your opinion about how much you can trust your sighted, biased assessments are meaningless because you have no other reference.
If you did worthwhile controlled listening and actually believed the outcome of that might be genuinely meaningful then you have another frame of reference but when you simply believe your ears, think you need eyes to hear properly and shun the very idea that controlled listening might be valid you have one data point and it is very hard to do anything of value with one data point in complete isolation.
I get the idea that you have done controlled testing but don't like what it told you and have fabricated a belief to explain what you feel and experience when the reality is right under your nose, the reality just doesn't suit your obsession with audio so you can't accept it.
OK, time to be pithy.....OFFS!
None of that explains why you need to see the equipment you are listening with to hear it properly as you assert.
In fact the tests referred to were blind, which is the counter of what you believe gives you accurate and real information from the audio.
Which is it, blind tests are right or wrong ?
In fact the tests referred to were blind, which is the counter of what you believe gives you accurate and real information from the audio.
Which is it, blind tests are right or wrong ?
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