Why 24 bit audio and anything over 48k is not only worthless, but bad for music.

[eq1849]

I’m not quite sure what the point of announcing that one refuses to have further debate with a poster to another poster..then several more chime in to do the same.

Seems passive aggressive.

 

[theveterans]

I’m not quite sure what the point of announcing that one refuses to have further debate with a poster to another poster..then several more chime in to do the same.

Seems passive aggressive.

I'm just chilling and putting some thoughts that are triggering to the "ministry of audio science" like providing objective measurements that can't be seen on the holy AP555B unless it's actually so bad that it makes squiggly lines on the wave due to horrible noise spectrum

Bad noise spectrum:

Good noise spectrum:

Audible? Absolutely to some people, but not to everyone of course because "all sources sound the same" absolute statements from the ministry of audio science

 

[colonelkernel8]

I'm just chilling and putting some thoughts that are triggering to the "ministry of audio science" like providing objective measurements that can't be seen on the holy AP555B unless it's actually so bad that it makes squiggly lines on the wave due to horrible noise spectrum

Bad noise spectrum:

Good noise spectrum:

Audible? Absolutely to some people, but not to everyone of course because "all sources sound the same" absolute statements from the ministry of audio science

lmao. I'm sorry this is bullsht. Posting "measurements" without any analysis of what the eff you're actually looking at and if it's actually audible is a waste of time. You're wasting our time, you're wasting your own time. Just stop doing it.

 

[theveterans]

lmao. I'm sorry this is bullsht. Posting "measurements" without any analysis of what the eff you're actually looking at and if it's actually audible is a waste of time. You're wasting our time, you're wasting your own time. Just stop doing it.

Making absolute statements without even understanding the context and background of my post : https://www.head-fi.org/threads/why...thless-but-bad-for-music.716822/post-18715279

 

[eq1849]

I'm just chilling and putting some thoughts

 

[JamoBroGuy]

Audible? Absolutely to some people, but not to everyone of course because "all sources sound the same" absolute statements from the ministry of audio science

Straw man. No one ever said that all sources sound the same.
Mr Kokaine already beat the straw man to a pulp, and now you’re joining in?

 

[eq1849]

Theveterans, Here’s a quick story from earlier this week.

The SQ on my setup was just a bit off. The music was brighter and too hard sounding.

I never have an issue with sound quality, and I have had this setup since 2020.

But it sounded off.

After investigation, the USB cable was connected to the battery charger port of my DA converter…. Evidently when I recharged I never removed the USB cable. I normally run the converter on battery power and on optical for good isolation.

This was essentially a blind test that I inadvertently took, and it backed up my sighted testing, that isolation matters on my setup. So back to battery power and optical to isolate… no more issues.

 

[theveterans]

This was essentially a blind test that I inadvertently took, and it backed up my sighted testing, that isolation matters on my setup. So back to battery power and optical to isolate… no more issues.

The SQ on my setup was just a bit off. The music was brighter and too hard sounding.

That is also the issue they found with the Wiim Pro: Marv found it glarey sounding as well which prompted him to measure and provided that the smps AC leakage is so bad that it actually showed on the AP555B from my previous post. I’m glad you found an anecdotal note about AC leakage with SMPS with both objective and subjective data!

 

[bigshot]

I’m not quite sure what the point of announcing that one refuses to have further debate with a poster to another poster..then several more chime in to do the same.

What else should we talk about in a thread that’s been crapped up with boloney?

 

[castleofargh]

@theveterans you went from repeatedly telling us that measurements don't correlate with what you hear, to changing the subject pretty randomly (diversionary tactic), to then using measurements of improbable stuff you picked up wherever, that we couldn't clearly link to what you hear even if it was measured on your gear(low level noise measured at the clock, or measurements showing events in the MHz for a digital signal, to support who knows what about square waves and... hires? I don't even know, do you?). And those are the measurements you decide to care about and trust... Come on now. Save the dignity you have left and stop this nonsense. A few pages ago you were already grasping at straws, now it just feels like BS and dishonesty.

"Oh Look! There is a graph online showing a measurable change in picovolt on the electric grid on the other side of town, where they turned on the MC Flurry machine. I hear that, but only on the good sound system."
That's your level lately.

 

[theveterans]

"Oh Look! There is a graph online showing a measurable change in picovolt on the electric grid on the other side of town, where they turned on the MC Flurry machine. I hear that, but only on the good sound system."
That's your level lately.

I'm aware of that and that's the reality that I perceive from my system and to @eq1849 and others who performed those tests on behalf of us subjectivists. We rely on multiple views of objective measurements using multiple instruments and not just on the analog output of a DAC from an AP555B where other parameters cannot be measured to see where we perceive a potential change in sound can be loosely attributed to objectively

 

[colonelkernel8]

I'm aware of that and that's the reality that I perceive from my system and to @eq1849 and others who performed those tests on behalf of us subjectivists. We rely on multiple views of objective measurements using multiple instruments and not just on the analog output of a DAC from an AP555B where other parameters cannot be measured to see where we perceive a potential change in sound can be loosely attributed to objectively

What you’re actually doing is trying to build a framework of subjectivity around objective measurements that have little or nothing to do with actual acoustic performance. It’s like you prefer the notion of objectivity because of its aesthetics but you aren’t willing to give up the feel good vibes of subjectivity.

 

[2leftears]

What you’re actually doing is trying to build a framework of subjectivity around objective measurements that have little or nothing to do with actual acoustic performance. It’s like you prefer the notion of objectivity because of its aesthetics but you aren’t willing to give up the feel good vibes of subjectivity.

To be fair, @theveterans is far from the only one doing that.

Many subjectivists doubt the relevance of scientific measurements one minute, yet the next minute grab some random unrelated measurements found on the internet paired with anecdotal evidence to suggest a possible causal relationship.

Moreover, many subjectivists are also very happy to attribute perceived effects to something they would like to be the cause, without applying the scientific rigour required to prove that to be plausible, or even scientifically explained

 

[theveterans]

Moreover, many subjectivists are also very happy to attribute perceived effects to something they would like to be the cause, without applying the scientific rigour required to prove that to be plausible, or even scientifically explained

You should try working on a manufacturing company that makes these audio product components or even aerospace industry. You'll soon find out there's hardly any scientific rigour existing there but rather everything is empirical and statistically driven

 

[colonelkernel8]

You should try working on a manufacturing company that makes these audio product components or even aerospace industry. You'll soon find out there's hardly any scientific rigour existing there but rather everything is empirical and statistically driven

I have no doubt there is no scientific rigor at a cable company. Empirical? Nah. If you think aerospace companies don't adhere to scientific rigor then you're completely delusional.