Why 24 bit audio and anything over 48k is not only worthless, but bad for music.

Nov 5, 2022 at 9:18 AM Post #2,821 of 3,947
How are those advanced audio formats produced? I am not a fan of multichannel sound made from stereo track using whatever phase tricks myself. These things have to be done carefully from the start.
Me on the other hand have been experimenting with every phase trick under the sun to create multichannel sound from stereo tracks programmatically. Wanna try? :)
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 9:29 AM Post #2,822 of 3,947
Me on the other hand have been experimenting with every phase trick under the sun to create multichannel sound from stereo tracks programmatically. Wanna try? :)
Yes, I wanna try. :)
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Post #2,824 of 3,947
Don't ask my money. I am poor.
Don't ask me to monetize my work, I'm too dumb and tired to try 🙃
I can't even give this stuff away for free if they're not serious about trying it and they have a suitable PC platform, hence the question.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 10:40 AM Post #2,825 of 3,947
Don't ask me to monetize my work, I'm too dumb and tired to try 🙃
I can't even give this stuff away for free if they're not serious about trying it and they have a suitable PC platform, hence the question.
I am a Mac mini user if that answers your question.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 12:17 PM Post #2,826 of 3,947
I remember you asked about Dolby Atmos....do you have a Dolby Atmos system now bigshot?
No, but these disks don’t have a 5.1 track, so the Atmos fold down is the one I can use. But it seems that they didn’t have multitrack masters to mix from, so they EQed the elements out to separate them. The surround on the Dolby Stereo sounded better.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 6:28 PM Post #2,827 of 3,947
No, but these disks don’t have a 5.1 track, so the Atmos fold down is the one I can use. But it seems that they didn’t have multitrack masters to mix from, so they EQed the elements out to separate them. The surround on the Dolby Stereo sounded better.
Well if it has an Atmos track, then that's the one that's also multitrack mix. The standards now are that Atmos on streaming is Dolby Digital+ 5.1 and the Atmos positional metadata (so older HDMI receivers will not recognize the Atmos stream and see DD+). There are more UHD blu-ray discs with Dolby Atmos tracks, but there are also some HD blu-rays with Atmos. With them, their core is usually a core TrueHD 7.1 channel setup with Atmos metadata.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 6:41 PM Post #2,828 of 3,947
Yes, I was pointing out this Prince concert was like your Police one.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 7:40 PM Post #2,829 of 3,947
Sorry, but your "Member of the Trade" card indicates you are after our money.
I don't think I have a suitable PC platform because I am a Mac mini user...
You're quick to write him off for his member of the trade card. Instead of getting caught up in cables/dacs/amps dont make a difference kind of posts for the nth time, he makes actually useful posts such as this or this. Here's some more evidence of his DSP wizardry. Anyways, he's definitely not posting here to sell you DAPs.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 8:14 PM Post #2,830 of 3,947
Yes, I was pointing out this Prince concert was like your Police one.
Got it now...it's good to have those options. Have found that besides the Police blu-ray I have, other concerts surround tracks sound better. Since you mention the Prince disc also has Auro3D, is it Sign O The Times? I might try seeing if I can pick it up just to see what an encode of it sounds like. I'm now usually defaulting to DTS:Neural as my 3D matrix format when playing 5.1 surround sources (but will sometimes switch to stereo with some old mono movies). It and Dolby's matrix 3D will make use of all 7.1.4 channels I have. If I do make it a point to try cycling between Dolby, DTS, and Auro3D with sources, sometimes the Auro3D sounds better and might have more heights (but it also goes to 5.1.4).
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 8:27 PM Post #2,831 of 3,947
How are those advanced audio formats produced? I am not a fan of multichannel sound made from stereo track using whatever phase tricks myself. These things have to be done carefully from the start.
I would think it safe to assume most every disc advertising multichannel sound is a track that was remixed in surround. But the matrixing for a stereo track to multichannel on a home receiver has gotten pretty convincing. Or also getting height effects off a 5.1 track if you have a 3D receiver (I noticed that when I upgraded my speaker system and heard helicopter chopper blades on top of me from a 5.1 track). With a stereo track, I do get some ambience around me (probably not as much distinct sounds in back of me as a surround track would have). Most surround receivers now have the Dolby Surround matrix technology, and DTS: Neural. Some also have Auro (which is a European company that has had some more sources there...there's not much of any in Auro tracks in the US).
 
Nov 6, 2022 at 1:20 AM Post #2,832 of 3,947
I think the problem with Sign O The Times is that the multitrack masters didn't exist. They EQed out certain elements and then mixed them back in over the top to place them in a different spot. It sounds really gimmicky. I don't think it represents the format at all.

You might check to see if the stereo of your Police concert is Dolby Stereo. If so, try turning on Dolby Pro Logic. If it's encoded that way, you'll get an additional center and rear channel, which is better than just plain stereo. I've found that a lot of movies and TV shows are encoded in Dolby Stereo even if the logo doesn't appear on the cover.
 
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Nov 6, 2022 at 5:23 AM Post #2,833 of 3,947
You're quick to write him off for his member of the trade card. Instead of getting caught up in cables/dacs/amps dont make a difference kind of posts for the nth time, he makes actually useful posts such as this or this. Here's some more evidence of his DSP wizardry. Anyways, he's definitely not posting here to sell you DAPs.
My mistake. I apologise.
 
Nov 6, 2022 at 12:45 PM Post #2,834 of 3,947
I think the problem with Sign O The Times is that the multitrack masters didn't exist. They EQed out certain elements and then mixed them back in over the top to place them in a different spot. It sounds really gimmicky. I don't think it represents the format at all.

You might check to see if the stereo of your Police concert is Dolby Stereo. If so, try turning on Dolby Pro Logic. If it's encoded that way, you'll get an additional center and rear channel, which is better than just plain stereo. I've found that a lot of movies and TV shows are encoded in Dolby Stereo even if the logo doesn't appear on the cover.
New A/V receivers don't have Dolby Pro Logic (II). To make things more confusing, "Dolby Surround" is the new surround matrix. (that will matrix to height channels as well). DTS:Neural is the DTS equivalent. When I watch that Police concert, I will matrix to DTS:Neural. My receiver's display is pretty nice for checking source: it will display Multi-Chanel, TrueHD, DD+. DTS-MA, etc + DTS:Neural:X or Dolby Surround depending on what surround mode I've got set (if it's a Dolby Atmos track, then it will just decode that and just show that....also DTS:X). If the source is stereo, then it just displays DTS:Neural:X or Dolby Surround. I can also see the complete number of channels and source format if I use its app on my phone.

I did see that Sign O The Times doesn't have Auro3D in the US release, but does for the European version. I've ordered it on Amazon UK. Will be interesting to see how the Auro track sounds if it's natively decoded.
 
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Nov 6, 2022 at 2:18 PM Post #2,835 of 3,947
Ack! No Dolby Pro Logic?! There's an ocean of content out there encoded in Dolby Stereo. That is nuts.
 

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