Which box shall I open ? : Ipod 4G or Iriver iHP140

Sep 16, 2004 at 7:36 PM Post #91 of 164
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Originally Posted by Yasmin_Khan
I'll go have a sex change shall I?
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I can't decide that's why I want people to add their opinions at this central point as the more posts i read in various forums the more confused I get. The final choice is between these 2 players as I consider them the best value for money considering quality,features,style, and resale value.


almost identical to the original selling price :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...e=STRK:MEWA:IT


I say close your eyes and pick. At this point either one will be a good choice, and you can start enjoying your tunes! And getting better headphones than the stock buds!
 
Sep 16, 2004 at 9:15 PM Post #92 of 164
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Originally Posted by PYROTAK
i heard the m-audio remote sucks ass.

ie. made poorly and breaks.



Interesting you should mention that. Apparently this was a problem on the very first generation units. If the remote of the machine I bought was poorly put together as you say, then the Sony and iRiver remotes are also poorly put together. Another point to consider: Cowon also supplies us less-libellous Europeans with a 2 year warranty.


Seems like another lesson towards owning something instead of conjecturing about it, doesn't it? Anyway, that's my very very last off topic post in this thread. Apologies and I leave you to it!
 
Sep 16, 2004 at 9:42 PM Post #93 of 164
While I haven't owned either, but having used both at various points, I voted iriver because I'm going to buy an iriver. Though I can not compete with Bangra on a equal footing, I did notice what I would consider an inconsistancy.

Bangra claims that drag and drop is impractical for a large music collection, but then claims the iPod is better as simply a music player for the average guy.

Now, atleast in my experience, how many people have a collection that actually excedes 20GB, let alone 40GB? Out of everyone I know, I don't know anyone. I know two people who come close, one at 10GB and the other at around 15GB last time I checked.

The point is, I don't think you can rightly claim that iTunes is needed for the average Joe because his collection is so large he can't drag and drop.
 
Sep 16, 2004 at 9:50 PM Post #94 of 164
Why on earth would you wanna make your life any harder? Automatics for the people, I say! My collection is small: 15,2gb. That's nothing. We live in a world where you can bacisly grab any new album off the net (I, of course, don't do that -- at least not any more.)
What I do, is to add a tag to any those tracks I do not want on my iPod. Every new albums is automatic loaded to the iPod. If I was to drag 'n' drop I'd have to manually delete albums and manually load new cds.
 
Sep 16, 2004 at 10:27 PM Post #95 of 164
Additionally, for the Average Joe(tm), the unfortunate fact is that most people get their music online through less then honest methods. That said, most of the music is not tagged properly anyway and for the collections I know of, those people simply refer to them by file name anyway which is usually a bit more correct then the tag.

This begs the question then, since most people will not retag things not tagged correctly or with no tag at all, how much use is a sorting method which usually falls back on file name anyway (a method barely better then drag and drop and whos merits are highly debatable in my opinion)?
 
Sep 16, 2004 at 11:56 PM Post #96 of 164
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Originally Posted by pank2002
Why on earth would you wanna make your life any harder? Automatics for the people, I say! My collection is small: 15,2gb. That's nothing. We live in a world where you can bacisly grab any new album off the net (I, of course, don't do that -- at least not any more.)
What I do, is to add a tag to any those tracks I do not want on my iPod. Every new albums is automatic loaded to the iPod. If I was to drag 'n' drop I'd have to manually delete albums and manually load new cds.


I knew syncing would come up. Maybe I'm the type that prefers to do things manually and see what is happening. I won't lose too much sleep comparing 10 seconds to a minute and a half.
 
Sep 17, 2004 at 1:00 AM Post #98 of 164
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Originally Posted by wolfen68
I knew syncing would come up. Maybe I'm the type that prefers to do things manually and see what is happening. I won't lose too much sleep comparing 10 seconds to a minute and a half.


Me too. That's why i use the Winamp iPod plugin rather than iTunes.

The iPod doesn't have to be all about iTunes... i can see why some people dig it, i just like to manage my files more manually. I don't keep the ripped copies of CDs i own on my computer (feels redundant, i have the CD itself, AND a ripped copy on my hdd, AND another copy on my iPod). And i also distribute/move them around different partitions. iTunes almost _requires_ you to let it handle all your music files for you.
 
Sep 17, 2004 at 1:07 AM Post #99 of 164
By no means should I be taken as an iRiver lover and an iPod hater. The iPod (while in my opinion nothing technically very interesting beyond the capacitive touch wheel) has many upsides. The only reason I am getting an iRiver is because I do listen to the radio and I also want to be able to record. Personally I also find the touch wheel VERY annoying but I definatly see why people like it.

The reason I posted was because I don't think iTunes is a big reason why the iPod is nice. It SEEMS nice and it probably has many useful features for people who have large collections and have their collection well tagged. But of the couple people I know who use iTunes, they use it because they have a mac or they like the music sharing thing and are apparently too lazy to use Shoutcast. I just figured I'd inject those two observations into the discussion because iTunes always comes up as a plus but I don't think it always applies as such for every person (or in my opinion, the vast majority).
 
Sep 17, 2004 at 1:27 AM Post #100 of 164
Delete post--misread earlier post
 
Sep 17, 2004 at 5:49 AM Post #103 of 164
i honestly think the iriver is the true and -only- player for those who are both music geeks and engineers and the ipod is, well, for everyone else.

as far as sound quality is concerned, the ipod has a very condescending sound. it says to me "how much can i hide from you and still have you love me?" it's very romanticist, i think, and mates best with grados. the iriver sound is much more straightforward, neither highly analytical nor mellowed to obscurity. it says to me "i am constructing an audio signal for you. now pardon me while i work." i have yet to find the perfect phone for this korean headphone jack.

what the iriver does do is offer you more; more outputs and more inputs. the line out is clean and respectable. the digital out is wholly malleable. the remote out is an extension, not of your soul, but of your wires.

when i was young my favorite toy was a set of legos. of course by 'set' i mean '40 gallon drum'. you see, the number of lego structures a child can build is a directly related to the number of lego bricks that child has at his or her disposal.

i claim that the iriver, as a portable source, is analogous to a particularly ample set of legos. the ipod, on the other hand, is more like the dolls and action figures played with by the other children i knew.

that is to say, a doll is fully formed from the factory. articulation is finite; reconfigurations do little more than modify the parameters of constraint on that particular instance of that particular model of doll. i frowned at dolls, or took them apart.

in this light, the question you are asking of yourself is, "am i a doll child, or am i a lego child?" the answer, i'd say, is up to you.
 
Sep 17, 2004 at 8:53 AM Post #104 of 164
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Originally Posted by mkawa
i honestly think the iriver is the true and -only- player for those who are both music geeks and engineers and the ipod is, well, for everyone else.

as far as sound quality is concerned, the ipod has a very condescending sound. it says to me "how much can i hide from you and still have you love me?" it's very romanticist, i think, and mates best with grados. the iriver sound is much more straightforward, neither highly analytical nor mellowed to obscurity. it says to me "i am constructing an audio signal for you. now pardon me while i work." i have yet to find the perfect phone for this korean headphone jack.

what the iriver does do is offer you more; more outputs and more inputs. the line out is clean and respectable. the digital out is wholly malleable. the remote out is an extension, not of your soul, but of your wires.

when i was young my favorite toy was a set of legos. of course by 'set' i mean '40 gallon drum'. you see, the number of lego structures a child can build is a directly related to the number of lego bricks that child has at his or her disposal.

i claim that the iriver, as a portable source, is analogous to a particularly ample set of legos. the ipod, on the other hand, is more like the dolls and action figures played with by the other children i knew.

that is to say, a doll is fully formed from the factory. articulation is finite; reconfigurations do little more than modify the parameters of constraint on that particular instance of that particular model of doll. i frowned at dolls, or took them apart.

in this light, the question you are asking of yourself is, "am i a doll child, or am i a lego child?" the answer, i'd say, is up to you.


Pardon?
 
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