[lator]

It may be a slight tilt towards the upper mids that also gives the impression of lacking bass extension. On Trentemöller’s ”Evil Dub” the low bass is there but the tonality of the cable shifts the focus to the mid bass and kind of fools our/my hearing.

Maybe these characteristics is what made it a favorite when used in my speaker setup?

In lively acoustics I think some "faults" of the Excalibur could be beneficial.

 

[iFi audio]

This ”hollowness” is something I repeatedly hear when using silver plated cables.

Silver tends to lean towards quickness and openness more than tone and density, which may be perceived as per your post.

 

[twrr]

Not every silver cable is open and fast, a lot of them are thin and withdrawn without real bass.Some well-known manufacturers refuse to work with silver.If the speakers-amplifier are in synergy when playing in an acoustically good room, tuning with silver makes no sense.I would always choose a cable from NBS or Purist Audio rather than, say, Fadel Art Coherence, Sabalon Panatela (they say they don't sound like silver at all), of course that's not true because I have all those cables in my collection at home.Manufacturers offer silver because it is like something exclusive, but the conductivity of silver is a few percent better than copper, however, the tonal balance in any geometry or purity is not suitable for audio in my opinion.Here in Croatia, we have several cable manufacturers, one copies the most expensive Audioquest models and the other invents something of its own, using silk, cotton and other insulators, but both sound good only when they pay for a review in a magazine.

 

[iFi audio]

Some well-known manufacturers refuse to work with silver.If the speakers-amplifier are in synergy when playing in an acoustically good room, tuning with silver makes no sense.

Making a silver cable that doesn't sound brittle and overly lean is difficult and costly. If silver doesn't sound right to you, that's perfectly okay, but I know quite a few people who use such cables specifically to take some fat out of their wooly bassy speakers and it works great there

 

[twrr]

That's what silver is for, when the system is not in best possible synergy or you try to tweak something like too fat bass as you said.
All those manufacturers trying to make silver cable that doesn't sound like silver cable, that doesnt make sense.
Black rhodium best rca model is made of palladium and purity is 99,97 so no 6 or 7N, palladium by itself is not a conductor in the range of copper or silver but those cables work excellent.

 

[iFi audio]

That's what silver is for, when the system is not in best possible synergy or you try to tweak something like too fat bass as you said.

In that sense we're on the same page then, but that can also be said about copper that works well i.e. with many speakers based on Accuton drivers, or not really bassy cans like HD800. There is no objective right and wrong here, just ways to tweak a system as per one's individual taste.

 

[TheR0v3r]

In that sense we're on the same page then, but that can also be said about copper that works well i.e. with many speakers based on Accuton drivers, or not really bassy cans like HD800. There is no objective right and wrong here, just ways to tweak a system as per one's individual taste.

Just for claritys sake, my comments about silver in cables were specifically about digital cables.

 

[twrr]

I agree. Everyone imagines music differently.
Silver is several times more expensive than copper and has the advantage that silver oxide is conductive, however 99% of cable manufacturers write that their silver cables do not sound like silver cables. Now we don't even know what silver cables sound like because none of them sound like silver.Hi fi has long since turned into paid reviews...

 

[iFi audio]

Just for claritys sake, my comments about silver in cables were specifically about digital cables.

Roger that, it's been ages since I've tried a silver coax cable, so can't say much.

however 99% of cable manufacturers write that their silver cables do not sound like silver cables

I can agree with this. Silver cables have some odd reputation (lean, brittle and piercing sound) and manufacturers who make them want to datach from it. It's a broad subject whether they're successful or not. Either way, each to his/hers own

Also, thanks for this civilized convo.

 

[twrr]

I have collection of coax cables, now slightly less than before, cables that i sold last few months are silentwire 32, audioquest eagle eye, xlo 4.1 signature, chord indigo plus, and taralabs rsc air 75. Situation is similar like with rca cables in sound. SIlentwire 32 is silver plated copper - you only hear ssss, ssss, ssss

 

[iFi audio]

SIlentwire 32 is silver plated copper - you only hear ssss, ssss, ssss

I hear you and I understand the general message regarding silver cables. I will say that we also have stuff like Siltech Triple Crown (monocrystalline silver, $$$$) that doesn't do sss sss sss at all

Yes, I know, not many people can afford such products, but they really can change one's view on silver conductors.

 

[twrr]

This is silver cable, i was talking about silver plated copper.
Good silver cable is Oyaide 510, it's not too expensive, it works ok and before it was available to buy by the meter.
Siltech Triple Crown is silver-gold cable not pure silver if i remeber well...

 

[iFi audio]

Siltech Triple Crown is silver-gold cable not pure silver if i remeber well...

Exclusive silver, this one, at least to my knowledge

This is silver cable, i was talking about silver plated copper.

Roger that! Just to clarify, even this cables hissed to your ears?

 

[twrr]

Yes i am wrong about siltech, i didn have chance to listen that model of siltech. Price of a small car?

 

[iFi audio]

Price of a small car?

Indeed, these are extremely expensive cables, but also very good.